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Here is the entire, unedited Vice Presidential debate between Gov. Sarah Palin and Sen Joe Biden from Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri on October 2nd, 2008. The debate moderator was Gwen Ifill from PBS news. The debate lasted 90 minutes and this is the where you can watch it in full, unedited.
Here is the entire 90 minute, unedited Palin / Biden VP debate video:
Update
Here is the entire debate split in 10 parts from YouTube:
More analysis to come tomorrow..
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Obama/Biden = nothing but lies.
I wish Sarah was running for president. She is what America needs. She will be such a breath of fresh air in Washington.
Biden won this debate. Palin did better but she is dangerous. She should have to buy a ticket to get in the White House!
There were low expectations for Palin coming in and she did better than expected, but that wasn’t hard to do. Biden came across as strong, and made a strong case against McCain. Palin did not address the questions or Biden on almost every occasion, and instead repeated talking points. She also did not differentiate herself from Bush, which Biden did for Obama’s ticket again and again. Biden clearly won this debate.
John Mccain chose palin so there was an “inside man” in the white house to ensure drilling in Alaska. Palin for president? wow..
Biden clearly won and stuck to the issues and facts, Palin was to scripted and to many attacks.
Palin didn’t answer a single damn question. She dodged them all. She repeated her talking points ad nauseum, and she played off this “I’m just a small town girl yeehaw” act.
The fact that anyone thinks Palin won this debate is mind-boggling.
If Sarah was running for President I’d vote for her. The others are the same old same.
Palin is the scariest thing yet from the Republican party. She is WAY out of her league…….
Obama/Biden = nothing but lies.
moderator is slightly more harsh towards palin
Oh dear. Biden probably did win, but to what end? The two candidates basically represent two poles that, considering how polarized our nation is, lie shockingly close to eachother.
Palin is charming and completely void of substance. Wow, what a disappointment. She got lucky that there wasn’t a more diligent moderator with follow up questions.
i dont understand why everyone seems to think that pallin did so great, when all she did was not give a straight answer. or just not answer at all, an every time she went back to engery issues, regardless of what the question was. to me she was just doing more double talk, also her saying that she is like the rest of the middle class is laughable
That is a nice point to bring up Palin being and inside man when it comes to drilling in Alaska. She is all over drilling in our oceans…
I’m so excited for President Obama and Vice President Biden to take office!
John McCain’s time!
Palin did slighty better and much more appeals to middle class and small town Americans, something the obama biden ticket do not because of old comments.
Chris, you say
“My God, can you imagine her taking any kind of leadership role in a 9/11-type disaster?
God save us from this character.”
1. She is not going to be president, John Sidney McCain will be and so he especially would lead in a 9/11 moment.
2. There is no need to bring in *od save us, that is just a stupid thing to say. I for one do not believe you to have a real faith in God and therefore see your comment about God as something you speech but never practice. To be a real person who believes in God you need to follow Gods teachings and that is something YOU definitely do not do and the only real candidate who does is Sarah Palin.
Jan
“i dont understand why everyone seems to think that pallin did so great, when all she did was not give a straight answer. or just not answer at all, an every time she went back to engery issues, regardless of what the question was.”
You are right but remember her expectation was soooooooo low. She was in the camp for over a month and got stomped on questions with Katie Couric which even all of us posting here could answer. This was not the same Palin which was in all the couric interviews. A Politican is supposed to have the gift b.s. where if you don’t know the answer you can broad stroke it and trick some people into thinking you answered it or answered it enough that only tim russert or chris matthews would call you on it. She didn’t show any traits of this in her interviews prior to this debate. I was shocked she actual had it in her arsenal tonight. Unfortunately that was the majority of her substance in most of the questions. Biden had a lot of substance. And lets say he told one lie. The bulk of everything he said was very tangible and easy to comprehend. He got the message across.
But to she won i think is extremely delusional and bias.
seriously, you guys and gals need to learn to think for yourself. wait till the fact checks come out on this debate. i have been saying this all night, even before the debate began… Obama/Biden are nothing but liars. Biden has no shame whatsoever. he stood on that podium with the nation watching and told lie after lie. direct boldfaced lies. undebateable lies.
im telling you, wait for the fact checks to hit.
Obamas economic plan is one of certain disaster. the middle class is really going to need those tax breaks when Obama runs company after company out of America and we see hyper inflation as a result of rising tax rates.
thats real talk, not the “oh i hate the way Palin comes across” nonsense i keep hearing from bitter liberal democrats.
To jan… Palin is more middle class then Biden could ever think about being. You can find him at the local Home Depot?! Yeah right Biden.
Tip: If your running your campaign on “change” you shouldn’t say “I aint ever going to change”.
Obama as president? More like Osama for president. He is such a slick talker, just like the devil. He’ll tell you what you want to hear to get you to do what he wants. Then he’ll leave you with nothing!
EricF
Again what were the lies? This is the 2nd time I have ask you and like Palin, you don’t seem to have good answers.
It is easy to say lies but not so easy when you are asked to post them huh.
like when Biden said McCain voted the same as Obama on taxing people making $42,000. need more?
watching this i have to admit sarah palin really is cute and charming, but i do not vote on cute and charm… i do not appreciate her as a pick, i feel she is an insult to the American people… she claims to be so different from all the other politicians because she doesnt answer the way the media wants her to answer? unbelievable.. i think shes a complete idiot… she did well in this debate simply because my, as were many others, expectations were dug into the ground… she may not be from washington but the main person on the ticket is a staple… as for some here who think we shouldnt judge her as a presidential candidate because she is a vp candidate is simply ridiculous… mccain is not only old but very sick, cant even comb his own hair… chances are higher than ever, god forbid, that shed be needed to fill in… as for biden i cant say enough… i personally would have loved to have seen him rip her to shreads, but i understand that he did what was needed simply because america is too ignorant, “he was too mean and shes a woman”, shes suppose to run this country but if we say what she is, an idiot, we’re sexist… unbelievable
Biden totally ripped Sara apart when he said MCcain aint no Maverick ! it was too funny !
Biden really showed her that MCcsame is NO Maverick !
well anyway im out of here. i dont belong here anyway seeing as this entire website is slanted towards Obama. the live text chat could have been amazing if not for the idiot Obama supporters spamming to cloud the conversation. just shows the mentality.
The fact that John McCain chose Sarah Palin to be the vice President makes me think his judgment is faulty. There are so many other women who are intelligent and competent whom he could have chosen. What was he thinking? She seems dumb as a post.
** Nuked by Admin **
Obama/Biden= SCARY.
1) to “obama_sucks” she should be considered as a potential presidential candidate.. shes a vp, meaning if, nothing more, mccain, god forbid, passes away, which by the way hes old and sick=very possible, this idiot might be president
2) to “david II” the moderator was perfect, she was not mean or nasty to anyone… if it were me id wring her by the neck and ask beg her to please answer just one of my questions
3)to plain ol “david” obama/biden=lies? are you kidding me? i mean both campaigns have lied no doubt about it but not even close to the extent that mccain has… remember the teaching sex to kids? or obama planting 30 lawyers to dig up dirt on palin in alaska? or the obama campaign attacking her family when he let out a statement telling the media to back off? mccain and the rest of the republicans have played this game before… i hate that obama has taken this route… but its quite apparent that he has to… americas too unaware for him not to…
also cant say enough about biden… great job couldnt have asked for a more perfect performance… i personally would have enjoyed a more brutal shredding but i understand, america is still too sensitive, because if biden had done just that that would be an obvious sign of sexism ~rolls eyes~ maybe mccain not looking at obama was racist? .. i just feel that the selection of palin as vp is smack in the face of america.. shes a complete idiot and woman who vote for her cause shes a woman are idiots and people who agree with her arent that far behind… people compared biden and palin because of eachothers gaffes… tonight we saw the difference… palin has had all the attention, good and bad, its nice to finally see biden shine… he seems as real as it gets…
how do i get the video larger/fullscreen?
Biden = substance
Palin = more or less able to talk. Which of course means she won.
Palin could not seem to answer any direct questions. She was off topic, and all she could talk about was Alaska. Everyting else seems scripted.
Eric F.. I don’t see that it’s this website which is “slanted toward Obama” but the whole country, (and in fact the world)… Let’s look at the track record of the last “regime” shall we? A terror attack that the US was warned about was ignored (see Farenheit 911 again if you’re in any doubt) Then an oil crusade which was sold to us on the biggest lie (weapons of mass insanity) since Clinton happened to “forget” about a certain dirty blue dress - except thousands and thousands didn’t die in that one… The continual hemorrhaging of money into what is now blatantly an un-winnable conflict, and an economy that is tanking so bad it’s making the 1920’s depression look like a head cold, while tax breaks still continue for the ultra rich (who are getting richer) and 99% of the wealth is now controlled by 1% of the US population… Sure.. let’s patch it up by throwing another $700bn at it, so that the rich speculators are protected, while the bank repossesses your house, car and whatever else it can salvage in an effort to try to survive…
Yeah… the current camp did a great job.. (good times for all huh?) you think Obama’s going to be able to fix it all in a heartbeat.. not a chance, but it will CERTAINLY be a lot more preferable than another Republican fiasco in the whitehouse.. I for one am ready for change… and judging by these comments, and the polls, and world opinion.. I’m certainly not the only one..
Nice debate tho
When this is over I pray we all work together for national unity. That means willingness to respect the whole, sacrifice for the majority, and compromise for the betterment of all. Divided we fall. Dont let the media continue dividing us. Voice to them your non acceptance of this “New Media Order”
It scares me to think that people can watch a candidate blatantly avoid every question and still leave convinced that the other side, and only person with answers to the questions being asked, as well as specific example after example is lying. And that they compare to the devil because they tell you what you want to hear. It is possible that they are telling us what we want because that’s what they plan to do! Listen and change this country which frankly has become an international embarrassment in the past eight years!
It scares me to think that this race is even close. It scares me to pieces!
Come on america. Please support OBAMA. He will do change. He is an genuine person. Mccain or mcWAR and palin are no mavericks and liars.
You need an honest man. Like obama! And bidden seems like a good man.
Obama will change the world. Not mccain/palin. Please wake up!
greetings from sweden, and the world is watching..
obama 08! =)yes we can! unite!
Who is Sarah kidding? She did not answer a single question. She mentioned energy as though she was knew what she was talking about. This can’t be real!!!
First of all, I am going to try my best not to be biased. I have not yet picked a sure candidate for I feel to independent to honestly pick one right now from either side.
Does anyone see it IRONIC that the moderator is going to be publishing a book by the end of the year on how OBAMA is so great and such!?!?!? Shouldn’t we get at least a more nuetral moderator?? I am not bashing on Obama, He definitely inspires hope to all people.
One thing though, BIDEN has said MANY MISTAKES/(liesmaybe) and gotten away with it. Just like Clinton, he claimed to have dodged bullets in the middle east. There are videos to prove that wrong. He has gotten his facts/presidents/events wrong about the great depression era. He has made many blunders and yet look how clean he is portrayed by the press.
Remember when Palin got bashed for the “Bush Doctrine”
She in fact does know the bush doctrine. The STUPID reporter tried to trap her in asking what the bush doctrine was when in fact there are 4 doctrines!! She even asks him which one to talk about but the stupid ass tries to work his way around her question, ultimately making her look dumb.
Again (*obviously) Presses such as NYT are in fact biased towards the Republican party. They have said that MCain has had an affair. Was that true?? NOPE. They make it a huge front cover story. What about when Edwards had his affairs. Did he make front page??? NOPEEE. NYT times said that IT WASNT WORTH MENTIONING…!!!!!!
Now again MCAIN has his problems too. He is to vague. Hopefully the old man gets specific sometime soon. Palin now on the other hand is obscure in a non-harmful way. She comes on strong but Im not really sure yet…wellsee…
I hope this resonates loudly that Governor Palin is a winner! The press has been hammering with all they have and yet she has come through eloquently. There should be no more question. Sarah Palin is a force to be reckoned with.
McCain/Palin=Winners!
ok i said i was leaving but im back! Pony you are gushing naivity to say the least. first of all the only reason we are in an economic mess right now is because of the FAILED social engineering projects of the liberal agenda. political and social pressure was put on the banks to make loans to people who could never hope to pay off their mortgages. nice try tho attempting to pass the blame. if i could not think for myself i may have fallen for that hook, line and sinker just as you did.
i guess Obamas economic plan could work if America was the only country on Earth but its not. Companies will flee America under Obamas plan and the ones that stay will be forced to raise prices to cover the tax increase. we will have less jobs and higher prices. good luck with that. those are the effects and they will doom America, but the whole concept of moving towards socialism is just as unamerican as it gets.
also and sadly this website is slanted towards Obama as is the mainstream media. check the front page much? is Palin McCains messiah? how absurd. Obama is the one with the planted people at his rallys that mysteriously pass out. lol. yet you guys have the nerve to say Palin is a fake. just amazing.
finally, McCain is not Bush and Obama is in no way Bill Clinton.
almost forgot, we are winning the war despite the best efforts of liberals to ensure we lose and our soldiers come home in defeat. im sure you just like your homeboy Obama will try to steal credit for something you have nothing to do with. good luck with that also.
I am actually in complete shock over the people who are saying that Palin will be a breath of fresh air (and meaning it in a good way). Honestly, I don’t know about anyone else, but I prefer my air to not suck.
For the people who are criticizing the critiques on her inability to speak — I really feel if you aren’t worried about her presentations of herself, then there is something wrong. If she is unable to command any respect from the American public, how the heck is she supposed to assist in leading this country? For McCain to consistently use his experience as one of his selling points and then pick potentially one of the least experienced people he possibly could have honestly seems like a contradiction of terms.
Also, to whoever it was that posted about Palin being middle class and Biden being far from it — Sorry to say, but it seems like McCain is pretty well off himself. So, if you want to critique based on money, it seems fairly invalid.
And telling people that they probably don’t believe in God? Not even a little okay.
I understand the people who are voting for McCain mostly based on the fact of wanting to maintain more conservative ideals. I do not understand, however, the people who actually support McCain, or even worse, Palin.
Wow! Palin can memorize talking points. Very Impressive! She couldn’t even answer which newspaper she reads. “All of them” huh? Or 1 single supreme court decision that she disagrees with. Well let me make a suggestion Dred Scott v Sanford ? You republicans wanna get some minority voters you have to at least admit that you disagree with that ruling! And why is Obama having such a hard time with these jokers. Their campaign is a facade. McCain is worth over 150 million dollars! He owns what 7,8 houses and 13 cars! But yet Obama is an Elitist? Yea Right McCain. Obama needs to put a monocle and a top hat on McCain and expose him as the “Monopoly Man” he really is.
1. She is not going to be president, John Sidney McCain will be and so he especially would lead in a 9/11 moment.
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You do know that the main role of the VP is to stand in in the event that the president becomes unfit to lead? If McCain were to die in office (which isn’t unlikely), then Palin WOULD be president.
2. There is no need to bring in *od save us, that is just a stupid thing to say. I for one do not believe you to have a real faith in God and therefore see your comment about God as something you speech but never practice. To be a real person who believes in God you need to follow Gods teachings and that is something YOU definitely do not do and the only real candidate who does is Sarah Palin.
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LOL. I see this as you conceding the point, because I’ve never seen anyone else try to use “You’re not religious, therefore I am right and you are wrong” as a valid argument. Next time, try answering the actual point being made rather than focusing on one tiny and irrelevant detail.
Oh, and just because Palin is religious does NOT mean she is instantly qualified to be President.
EDIT: Obama is the one with the planted people at his rallys that mysteriously pass out. lol. yet you guys have the nerve to say Palin is a fake.
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So you’re making a totally baseless assumption, and using that to refute a claim that has strong evidence to back it up? I’ve lost count of Palin’s lies, and I don’t even live in America. That stuff makes the news here.
Speaking of Idiots,
BO is the Idiot who stated that Iran is a tiny country which poses no threat to the US!
BO is the Idiot who Proposed a solution to the Russia-Georgia crisis which the Russians can simply veto!
BO is the Idiot who stated that he would sit down with Irrational terrorists without preconditions! And I don`t care how what former secs. of state, etc., say it`s ok. They`re talking about only at a high level and not the President! Kissinger pointed this out last week.
I could go on and on!
Also, Palin proved tonight that those earlier interviews were loaded with gotcha questions and edited to make her look bad!
Btw, Palin looked no more scripted than BO did in his debate with McCain.
She may be a heartbeat away but BO is the heartbeat!!
No more scripted? She was READING OFF THE SHEETS at one point.
I’ll give you a fact check. How are giving tax breaks to people making over $250,000 a year going to help “middle-class” Americans? That’s reverse logic Governor Pailn. 90% of small business owners don’t make that in a year, so they won’t see a tax break either. So you ask, who is winning in this situation then? Well big businesses and the top 10% in America, that’s who. Obama’s plan gives those small business owners a tax break, but increases taxes on businesses making over that much money. If you are making over $250,000 a year do you really need help from the government financially?
It also sounds like Sarah Palin wants to get the “feds out of the people’s way!”. Well that’s great, less deregulation as both her and McCain support! But wait… isn’t that what Bush supported as well? And wait, isn’t that policy what lead us into our current ECONOMIC CRISIS? I don’t understand how you can want a narrow minded tool like McCain, then “Maverick” who has RARELY gone against his party when nothing is really on the line.
Bottom line if McCain kicks the bucket as men in their 70’s tend to do, I sure as hell don’t want Sara Palin making the decisions as my President! We need a world leader and she doesn’t strike me as being that….
good luck with that tax refund, you sure will need it when everything doubles in price. i guess thats too hard for libs to understand. lol. on the brightside we will all be billionaires like in Zimbabwe…
dirtydurst i know this will be very difficult for you to understand but i will attempt to explain…
everything trickles down no matter if you want to believe it or not. if you raise the tax on business owners, they inturn raise the price on products and services so their profits are not reduced. these are the business’ that choose to stay in America. many will flee to other countries in favor of lower taxes so this means less jobs for Americans. so there will be less jobs and higher prices, dont worry though… you will get a tax refund so that makes it ok. lol. come on guys this isnt rocket science, its basic economics. stop letting yourselves be mislead.
i understand alot of blacks are excited about the prospect of a halfblack president but dont let color be the deciding factor for the future of America. do the research and learn to think for yourself.
Nothing but facts people. You have to admit, all through the debate, Sarah caught Biden, in several and detrimental lies. She also demonstrated consideration, respect and maturity to Biden and also pointed out the fact that they both concur on a lot of issues. She was nothing but polite to him. All parties should at least give her respect for that!
EricF - “everything trickles down no matter if you want to believe it or not.”
You need to do you homework. Economics is not one direction with it flowing from the top down. Have you ever heard of Supply and demand?
Supply = Business
Demand = Middle class
This is a classic case of which came first the chicken, or the egg. With out a strong middle class then there can be no Business. With out businesses there can be no Middle class.
It is a balancing act. Take your trickly down theory and and stick it up your…
Sarah Palin is incredible…Biden did nothing but attack the Bush admin. Why cant he state any of his own stands? Oh thats right…because he keeps changing his mind on what those stands are. I though Palin did an excellent job of letting America know what her plans are. Obama and Biden try to tell us what they think we “want” to hear. I dont think they have any intentions of actually making any GOOD changes.
Im scared of what would happen if Obama won…America really needs to think about this decision! Its the biggest one of our lives!
Biden seemed more authentic and personal.
I have always felt he’s been there for the middle class.
Palin kept winking at the camera and acting like a beauty queen who memorized the info she needed to win the Scholarship.
She was acting like Bush did in his debates… remember those America?
He did the gee-shucks, small-town-guy-thing too.
She didn’t flub around like she has before this debate… I’ll give her that.
But she’s also been sheltered from the media and coached and quizzed the last few weeks.
I don’t like the republican policies or their deflect - avoid subjects - toot the America horn when I don’t like the question - style.
That’s why I’m voting for Obama.
EricF
Okay i have to say something.
“i understand alot of blacks are excited about the prospect of a halfblack president but dont let color be the deciding factor for the future of America. do the research and learn to think for yourself. ”
Yes and we understand a lot of whites are not excited about the prospects of a black man being president. Even if he shares the same views. So don’t play the damn race card in this discussion. Looks like we know what motivates YOU to vote against Obama so there really is no sense in anyone listening to your advise. You would only be convinced if he was replaced with a white person.
JD, please tell me what you think companies will do if their taxes are raised. do you think they will say “oh well, guess we will take a loss on that.”
be realistic about this. of course they are going to raise prices or find a new place to do business.
do you think Obama is going to break out his magical wand and make companies stay in the US or not raise prices?
how much of this inflation do you think some measley tax refund is going to cover? think about it. this plan is a net loss for the people. sure it sounds good but try to see the reality of it. im sure everyone here would like to be a billionaire but what happens when your billion dollar bill only buys you a roll of toilet paper?
anyway im not here to argue but to try to enlighten the people here that are falling for this load of nonsense. if you want to debate this thats fine but lets keep it civil ok?
Babs
O.S. wrote this
“And hey voodoofire Obama is Osama not the one or the messiah.”
And look at what EricF wrote. This is just an example of the point I try to make in why i make a lot of my rebuttals here. Those were out of line comments and no McCAin supporter will ever say anything to them for making posts like this. Now if i make a comment on it that translates into me attacking?
Dreadsen i didnt say anything wrong. what do you think im a racist? well im not. hell im not even voting in this election, i made that decision when Ron Paul pulled out. he was the real best choice for president. you can call it the race card if you want but i think about 90% of black people that vote for Obama will do so because he is halfblack and havent even serioulsy considered the issues. for the record however i would support a black man or woman if that person was the best choice. Obama simply isnt the best choice here. dont let me decide for you though, my intention is to make people really look at the issues and not take everything you hear from Obama at face value. do your own research and apply your own thought.
You know what upsets me? The fact that everybody blames Bush and his administration for all the problems we as Americans are facing today. A drop of a dime, oops Bush did it. There are other people and parties involved here. If you want to blame anyone, blame congres in general. I have seen the debates that go on and on in their, especially when Hillary Clinton was up to speak. I’m sorry but, first of all what a mouth! All that yepping. Come on, I know we have issues but man, hearing her speak, over-extending her minutes, and annoying the many tape recorders in the room, has anyone noticed that? I am so very dissappointed with the lack of attendance on the floor. Gees, Talk about lazy. They have a lot of nerve talking trash to Bush. Especially when it came to the stock market falling, he had to make the hasty decision he did, I mean somebody had to wake their sorry keasters up! HELLO!!
Eric F,
If you havent noticed this “low tax for everyone” mentality isnt working, especially when governement spending has increased 53% since 2001, according to a report I saw on the Sean Hannity show on FOX. We simply spend more than we take in. If you spend more than you take in you will run into some trouble agreed? When this happens we incur massive debts leaving us to even borrow from China to operate our government. Does that feel good to think about? No. Under this administration and under a future McCain administration the same strategy concerning taxes will be applied. Now giving you this line of logic, do you understand the implications of having tax cuts for all when we are in need of greater government revenue, especially in a war and various other conflicts across the globe? I hope this doesnt fall on deaf ears but please refrain from logical fallacies as you have sadly made in your previous posts. If you want to say something, great, but do so in a way that shows that you are versed and capable of eloquence and thought. Do not badger other people unecessary as it will do nothing to prove your points.
My fellow Americans:
Interesting views, comments and biases it appears.
There’s homework here if u wanna read and learn stuff.
There’s so much to say, & less time to type it accordingly to cover all that’s as commonly interesting to me & to all other Americans.
The bullying contortions by J.M. against Obama should be deeply considered and scrutinized. People repeatedly and commonly speak of being tired of lying politicians being in our governments, since I was a child that reached understanding.
We have 2 “in-the-know” Senators team who are better emboldened of the governmental situation, rather than one very old Senator that never ever cared to run for the office of Presidency before now, and may stroke out or quickly die of natural causes, even before he might be sworn in as President, IF the possibility occurred that J.M WERE ever elected, which I hope to doubt occurring, are we, then, suddenly become governed by the newly elected Vice-President Sarah Palin magically as the new President, who tonight, clearly exhibited inexperience and lack of knowledge and information, especially where Joe Biden made crystal-clear earlier tonight, without even saying it, just proved she absolutely lacks true leadership on well-established infrastructure in international policies?
Sarah Palin shuddered. She stammered. She smirked. She smile during serious issues she did not understand. She stuttered. She attempted to somehow mesmerized innocently intending to mentally prostitute the people with her country-imaged nature of silky jargon, as if Palin herself existed as some average run-of-the-mill person of silky charms.
Beauty pageant charms and theatrics are not what are required to be used in a debate for the office of any vice-president which may need be the President very shortly after election and oath being administered. Short-sightedness improperly used will exasperate our people as a nation.
Sarah delusions herself as amply ready to run the country as a vice-president. What a high-polished spin to lip-gloss over in her compact mirror! What IF J.M. strokes out?
Is Palin truly QUALIFIED for the level of politics when our country is at its all-time worst?
This is J.M.’s well-thought strategy to just keep the Republican Party in the Executive Branch???
Palin was coached to simply refuse to answer direct questions, just like a beauty pageant, as if they were insignificant psycho-babble? She role-played this happy persona as if all is good she was chosen as a vice president running mate and then continually mean-mouth Obama and then she down-sized significance of issues queried on, and continued the J.M strategy to speak condescending attacks about Obama. Oh, and steadily smiling like she was the best snitch at a gangster party?
Give Sarah Palin YOUR Emmy, Jerry Springer!!!
Why would any reasonable normal person vote for any known political liar and support more condescending lies? Or simply, who would dare vote for an unknown lip-glossing comic-relief political entertainer?
Commonly, typical ordinary people normally shun a liar immediately from their own normal everyday life.
I possess the very real answer to the oil crisis at many levels, which has been used as strategies of political propaganda creating a common fear for the unlearned and ignorant people of our country.
Obama states we could find a solution within 10 years to correct the power issues of oil dependency.
I could give him all the numerous answers that would instantly correct the ailments of our country and especially in politics, if only, he simply asked me today to hear me out for 2 hours, and save the wait of another day upon being elected to the Presidency. No Joke!
Why all the billion-dollar piece-meal patches to the economy?
Why would anyone not even think that Bush has not already organized leaders of the world against Obama, using J.M as the Republican catalyst?
IF J.M. won, will those same leaders still profit from Bush’s set-up’s of their independent financial prosperities? Especially when threats were made against the U.S. if we did not keep a short war?
Talks were kept private. Threats never carried out. Bush sells out our country and our Constitution. It is what it is. Yet, nobody, no, not one individual notices, much less, slings out a single syllable to question these matters.
Why has perpetual electricity been ignored?
Because. It would devastate both the oilfield and electricity economies. It would rid electric bills for everyone in the world, if it were to be allowed.
The notion of electricity being free, causing no pollution, making no noise, being transportable ruins the greed of governmental waging crafts to win politically using scare tactics, ruins the opportunity to skim money and privileges unseen and unaccounted for…
That notion makes oil dependency drop in value, like dirt falling out of one’s hand. Turning a combustion engine into a simple starter scares politicians.
Politician hurt the world, not the ordinary people. Such an invention stamps out starvation in the impoverished nation globally.
Vision is what we need in leadership.
Not rose-colored glasses, glib double-talk, smoke-and-mirrors, dog-and-pony-show politics, smiles, kisses, handshakes, all simply hinging upon warped psycho-babble b.s. pretzel-logic spoofs and yarns to give off sticky nuances of something warm, fuzzy or touchy-feeling to melt like cotton candy and simply do nothing good, once all the fluff melts!
2 Senators are better than one. We need real change in Politics, not change in our pockets.
Be glad I did not begin on what our Constitution already protects, like not being able to create men above the law because they work the government, that the U.S. Supreme Court unconstitutionally made illegal law in 1896.
The 2 title of nobility prohibition clauses were the original 14th Amendment.
See Federalist # 39.We are termed a republic, with no form of aristocracy monarchy ever allowed to be used in our governments.
(Yet is was allowed into our government in 1896 Spalding vs. Vilas, as a rule of the courts in Britain, that form of privilege being finally destroyed along with those courts equally following Henry VIII’s death, and abolish in 1890 in England, that our Supreme Court “kings” resurrected and now have maintained to legislate law from the Judiciary. This wellspring runs deep.)
See Marbury vs. Madison (1803)(no man is above the law; if a public servant violate his duty, he is liable to indictment, if a judge violate his oath has committed a crime, we are a country of laws and not of men[nobility is the understanding of that day meaning a noble privileged class or individual cannot rule the government])
See United States vs. Lee (1872)(no man no matter how high an office he acquires in our government is above the law)
See Sir William Blackstone’s COMMENTARIES ON THE LAWS OF ENGLAND (1765-69) vol I-IV
I am Joy 2 XS and I approve this comment. Two damn hours.
You know, I recall in the past two elections, were nothing but empty trash talk on both sides, never once an stimulating, intellectual discussion between to candidates, and the media circus…please bring us back to the days of George Washington when people spoke eloquently and what they spoke made good common sense, and the media kept their distance and their stories fact, not senseless!!! good grief I know I’m over it, how about all of you??
What a dumb, useless debate.
NO tough questions
(what about poverty, healthcare? is it okay to bomb nations? why does Palin want to teach creationism?)
NO follow up questions
NO intelligent answers
All they did was try not to say anything that would hurt the their running mate. The never answered a question and just kept talking about how the middle class is important blablabla.
Nobody won this debate.
Be warned, this is going to be a lengthy rant…
As far as they economy is concerned, happier middle-class = Happier economy. Businesses will not “flee” America because of higher taxes. America, for most businesses, is the source of the largest chunk of their revenues, and if they leave, they simply won’t get any of it (unless they’re internet-based). If taxes remain on the working class, all businesses in America will have a hard time surviving in America if 98% of the people (working class) have a hard time buying their goods. People making 250K+ can afford higher taxes, and in fact since most of them are business owners, they will probably benefit from a population more able to purchase or invest. Inflation will happen no matter what…the price of everything has been going up almost double each decade no matter who was in office.
And why are people so afraid for the business’s wellbeing when quite a few of them are outsourcing our jobs anyway in a time when they DO have the tax breaks?
BTW, history lesson, the stock market crashed in 1929 mainly because of the fact that there was a lack of regulation on the way borrowed or lent money was handled. Sounds a little similar now, eh? I’ve heard of banks and people alike falsifying incomes to approve loans that can never be paid back. Lack of regulation on banks and lending institutions=High Risk. We should know better by now. Deregulation on those who handle the people’s money is not a very good idea, not back in the 1920’s, and not in the last 8 years.
Last thing on economy. There are many for pushing economical capitalism. There are some wanting a more socialistic economy (Without saying the big bad “s” word). I’m interested in seeing someone able to bring some balance in government. This country could never be a true free market economy because without regulations and with complete corporate freedom, greedy and/or corrupt people and institutions would destroy America’s economy. True socialism could never be either because too many freedoms would be lost…freedoms in which our society and country were based upon. Someone has to find a common ground. Just like this country is not a true political democracy, nor a true republic…it’s a well-balanced combination of the two. Based on what they’ve already done, I think Obama has a better resolve in doing this. If McCain continues promoting deregulation like he has and the Bush administration, it’ll throw us into a dangerous free market where only the few will be well-off and most of us will be struggling and destitute. Too much of either, capitalism or socialism, is a bad thing for society.
Newsflash, politicians lie. All of them. Bush is a liar (in the worst way), Clinton was a liar, Reagan was a liar…nothing new. I have not heard of one single politician that has told the complete truth 100% of the time (and at least survive in the political world). The government lies to keep the people complacent, the media lies to make a good story. Like I said, nothing new. So, “Obama/Biden = nothing but lies” is an illogical statement. I could say the same about McCain and Palin and be stupid too. Both tickets have lied about something, somewhere, at sometime during this election campaign. I look at what they’ve both lied about and how that affects their campaign and goals. Looking over both, McCain has a more contradicting track record to me. Like Biden said, he’s not really a maverick where it counts the most.
Besides, the idea of Palin as President = Scary. I prefer to have a VP (and it is very possible for her to become president) that can think on their toes, that gives some evidence of thought before speaking (Bush doesn’t do that well either), and in this debate and her interview with Katie Couric, her wheels just don’t turn fast enough. If she even mentions the word “maverick” one more time in any response, I will lose my mind, because she uses that rehearsed crap when she can’t think of anything better to say about McCain. If she can’t handle Katie Couric’s or any other interviewer’s questions on issues, what makes you think she can handle questions well in diplomatic, foreign talks? Obama is the devil because he can form coherent statements? Please, I would rather have someone who actually sounds intelligent and is easy to understand to represent us as our leader in the world than someone who sounds like a complete moron. Gives us credibility. At least Biden can answer the questions he’s asked BEFORE (keyword: before) he goes off into some other-worldly rant. Palin rarely ever gives a concise answer to a direct question. She completely ignored the basic form of a debate…which is: answer the question, and then explicate the answer. Even when she did answer, the answer was vague, and her explication went off into left field. I can’t honestly vote for a vice president that messes simple things like answering a debate question. On top of everything else, I think McCain made a mistake having her on his ticket, because it’s just not her time yet. Palin’s thought process isn’t in that arena yet. There were many that were much more qualified.
Biden looks like Cat in the Hat.
I cannot stand how everyone is SO critical when it comes to Palin yet Obama “can do no wrong”(Though he does a lot). Obama has so many things against him. From his lack of real experience to his indecisive votes (i.e. “present”), to his ties with radical extremist… people are so fooled by the words spoken from him. Guess what…politicians lie! The fruit (actions) of the person is what matters. Check the TRUE history of the two. Would you rather have someone with a radical, indecisive, and inexperienced background or someone with a loyal, honest, EXPERIENCED background? Obama promises change but what kind of CHANGE. Not all is good.
Both Presidential candidates have an enormous challenge ahead of them. The present administration has weakened our country and damaged our nation’s interests, both domestically and with foreign relations in mind. This is a time to unite as Americans to regroup and implement policies which stabilize our current situation and give us hope for the future. I expect both parties to send final candidates who can do that. I am neither a Democrat nor Republican, however I must say that if Republicans want the respect of all Americans, then it should be understood that voters are not that comfortable with the idea of Palin running the country. We have all seen what the lack of experience can bring us. Not all rise up to the challenge and it is extremely hard to say if Palin could. I am unwilling as an American to take that type of chance. As much as some will want to bash me, it remains to be a huge gamble.
EricF– both Biden and Palin was found saying things that were not accuate.
See: http://news.yahoo.com/s/a.....fact_check
Joy2xs, I stopped reading your comment after this:
“We have 2 “in-the-know” Senators team who are better emboldened of the governmental situation, rather than one very old Senator that never ever cared to run for the office of Presidency before now, and may stroke out or quickly die of natural causes, even before he might be sworn in as President”
If you don’t even know that McCain has run for President before, the rest of your comment is less than credible.
I see again, a lot of first time folks made the rounds of comment boards last night. Would be interesting to run the IPs and see how many IDs all belong to one poor, bitter, Obama supporter saying the same thing over and over. You know - that no substance slam that Palin has no substance. I even see some anger from some that Palin didn’t fall on her face.
The commenter that said wait for the fact check on the debate is correct. Most pundits are counting a minimum of 10 “misstatements” from Biden last night. I’m not sure there were that many, some he just repeated more than once.
What Palin did to make her the winner last night was to spit in the face of the MSM and liberal bloggers who have painted her as a piece of fluff, bad mother, etc., etc., all of which will still spew venom at her this morning in an effort to minimize the damage she did to the Obama/Biden platform last night.
She was dead on to confront Biden on his own attacks on Obama, and I respect Biden for not trying to lie his way out of those.
I do agree with the poster who said “I ain’t never going to change” is not a good thing for the “candidate of change” to say, especially so forcefully.
Check and mate. Sarah won.
I can’t understand how anyone can say Palin did well. She used the same answer to answer over three quarters of the questions. She couldn’t answer many of the questions so she “went back” to repeating herself. She spent how long being trained on what to say in the debate? It painfully showed. She showed herself to be a puppet last night and nothing more. When she can actually answer all the questions put to her, like Biden did, then I will say she may be ready to be VP, until then all she is is a gimmick that McCain hopes will get him and his failed policies into office.
It was a wonderful performance by Joe Biden and though i liked certain points from Sarah Palin regarding Middle-east policy, her winking reflects she is not really serious for the internationally responsible role.
Many people are lamenting about Obama’s tax proposal. Some even tried to explain the economic effects of tax increase in business but fell short. Tax is not the sole determinant of the establishment and relocation of a business. Among the factors are labour, accessibility/location, political stability, competition and market. Business people do not decide to relocate because of one ill factor when the others are favorable.
Americans are very hardworking people, so the labour aspect is not ab issue. America is a first world state with all the network of communication which means accessibility is not a problem. The playing field is even for competition and the country is populous that market is not a question. Therefore raising taxes but maintaining political stability and making more friends with the world, will not only retain the businesses already there but attract more investors.
My suggestion is, be not afraid of tax increase but study the other factors at play before you criticise. Fear of the unknown could be fatal. You are better economists than most of the world.
nobody said tax rates are the one and only factor but it is a major factor. i even said companies would stay, however they will be forced to raise prices. you cant argue that they wont raise prices. a company will always pass new costs of business along to the consumer. this is fact and you cant even begin to try to dispute that. it is your lack of understanding that can be fatal, in fact it is that very lack of understanding that Obama/Biden are counting on. they are exploiting you and you are defending them with a smile. a $1,000 dollar tax refund wont even come close to covering the hyperinflation we will see.
Gotta love the people who complain that one candidate (the one they hate) was all lies in a debate, and love the opposition. Then of course these people look at the fact checks and say “ah ha! Biden DID lie!” completely forgetting to read all about the other half of the story.
So which of them really told more fibs last night? Factcheck.org just might help with that http://www.factcheck.org/.....ebate.html