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Sometime today, in the state of Michigan, Sen. Joe Biden will be delivering a speech titled “Bush 44,” of course in reference to the Obama campaign’s attempts to paint McCain as “Bush’s third term.”
Report from Politico:
CHARLOTTE, N.C. — Joe Biden will deliver a high-profile first attack in a sustained anti-McCain offensive in a speech called “Bush 44″ Monday in the key battleground state of Michigan.
While the lines of attack have long been drawn, Biden will assert — as the title indicates — that a McCain presidency would amount to a third Bush term and will focus, in a detailed, comprehensive and aggressive way, on John McCain’s domestic policies and harsh campaign tactics, a campaign aide told Politico.
Biden will deliver the speech in St. Clair Shores, Mich., in Macomb County, the area whose voters inspired Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg to coin the term “Reagan Democrats.†The RealClearPolitics polling average shows Barack Obama with a 2-point lead in Michigan, which Democrats won by slim margins in the last two elections.
The speech is touted as matching the aggressive new strategy the Obama campaign has promised to unleash in the remaining days of the campaign to counter the recent poll gains of McCain and his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.
Biden until now has received considerably less media attention than Palin, in part because his speeches have seemed more intended to appeal to crowds than to make news, and Monday’s speech seems to be intended to integrate him more into the broader campaign strategy and to use him as a super-surrogate to take high-profile hits at McCain.
I think this is the best strategy they could take with Biden right now considering he seems to have dropped from the media’s radar. Give him some tough attacks on McCain which will bring him back into the limelight.
We’ll have video of the speech once it’s given later today…
Update
A few minutes from Biden’s speech:
Still looking for full video.. stay tuned.
Update
The entire 30+ minutes of Biden’s speech:
Good speech on Biden’s part, however, the Lehman Brothers economic news seems to have completely drowned him out of the media. I haven’t seen a single clip from his speech on the evening news, little to no coverage of it. Biden just can’t get a break!
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Will Biden explain why now McCain will be a 3rd term Bush. Will Biden explain why now Obama should be President. Will Biden expain why now McCain should not be President. Just a few months ago, Plwase explain Biden. Which Biden should I listen to ?. Everything is on video. No mis-quote here.
I really don’t think they’re getting much response from these misquoted and out of context lines. And I’m SO tired of hearing “out of touch” and “more of the same” I could vomit.
I caught a clip of Burton this morning (who also makes me want to vomit). You could see the “uh oh” look on his face when he was asked (about the latest ad) if he realized that McCain didn’t work a computer because he lost the dexterity in his hands to work a keyboard while he was being tortured. They didn’t even check that out. When they asked if they were just throwing away the votes of the people who also didn’t know how to work a computer, he stuttered worse than Obama.
They’re making some big mistakes these days.
Babs,
He also can’t comb his hair or tie his shoes…I wonder if they’ll run a commercial about his hair being messy and shoes untied now. This was a huge gaffe that nobody is picking up on…
Babs–I agree totally. I saw ex Congressman Texan Graham on McCain side being called I think Banker. I found on this site some will throw together numerous lies. Make harder to answer each. Then using foul language for those that disagree. Facts are ignored, though they ask for facts to be the issue. Now that John has leads in some polls, watch it get worse. John and Sarah must attack
One more video clip remark that Biden made. Biden would like to run with or against McCain in the Presidental race. Preaty hard to take that out of context.
This whole McCain as the third term of bush or McSame aint working for those liberals out there, they need to realize that sooner or later. Whatever though if they want to keep using a message that many dont believe it is fine with me!
Enough of the “he is disabled so he can’t use a computer” defense. There are millions of handicapped individuals in this country that use a computer every day and use it just fine (e.g. Stephen Hawkings).
McCain doesn’t use a computer because he doesn’t want to, or doesn’t care to. Think people, think. For the love of our country, THINK.
What amazes me about Republicans these days is they are so selfish and close minded. I have yet to meet a single republican who can look me in the eye and honestly say they are 100% socially and economically conservative. Either they are rich and selfish and economically conservative, or they are jesus freaks and socially conservative, but yet they still vote for both because the other doesn’t matter to them at all. I am centrist on the economy (ala Bill Clinton) and socially liberal (ala any remotely intelligent human being), and I believe that Barack Obama and Joe Biden are the only candidates who come close to meeting this criteria.
Biden is not going to do well making this sort of personal attack, which questions the knowledge and empathy of the man rather then the effectiveness of his policies.
DumbonWar
I am currently looking for a job and have been having a lot of trouble finding one. Yet I am economically conservative.
I do not believe in Jesus. Yet I am a social conservative.
You have just experienced a novel event.
You have also just failed both your attempts at political profiling.
Congratulations.
Additionally, your comment, “and socially liberal (ala any remotely intelligent human being),” is absolutely unsupportable and astonishingly naive.
Sounds just like he told the truth here. McCain just don’t get it. He repeats this because there are tons of people who like McCain just don’t get. They yell everyday because they keep getting worse but then they support McCain. I know several McCain supporters who gripe everyday because of our current condition but they are so quick to take their pants down and stick their rear end up so they can take more from McCain. They don’t get it! How do you take stupid out of them? The stupid will attack me because of this post I guess.
bdjnk
Don’t worry, when Obama gets in office work will find you!
BDJUNK,
You don’t believe in Jesus yet you are socially conservative…explain to me why you believe homosexuality is learned, why you are pro life, why homosexuals shouldn’t have the same rights as heterosexuals, why global warming isn’t caused by man…..give me those answers and I will absolutely admit to finding a person who proves my theory wrong and I’ll accept it.
the financial crisis is far from over ..we are only at the beginning. To be honest I am suprised that someone like McCain with the economic competence of a first grader, is ahead in the presidential race. Its a shame that Americans don’t learn from their mistakes, they voted TWICE Bush into power…and thick as they are will vote for McCain/Bush politics for a third time!!! unreal..
Brace yourselves for the hardest economic period in decades….with someone as ‘visionary’ as McCain at the helm it will only make matters worse.
Ron Paul, is the only fiscally competent politician - however he lacks the necessary presidential assertiveness…which leaves Obama (also economically handicapped yet not as ‘retarded’ as J McC).
still looks like a lose-lose situation to me…yet Obama/Biden are compared to a potentially catastrophic McCain/Palin ticket, still the lesser of the evil between the two…
good luck to you guys, u’ll need it..
Jeffords—McCain has long history of tech pushing, including Computers. Look it up on your computer. Broken arms and fingers with pain makes it hard for him to do. Yes disabled can use computer. I am disabled.
Dumbonwar–being a self proclaimed smart guy of Bill Clinton heritage I won’t even try to change your high standards. Bill Clinton fled America during viet Nam War. A Democrat war.. He was found guilty of draft dodging. If Carter had not pardoned him , he would not have been President. During his impeachment trial, he lied. And was lucky to only had lose his law degree. This is the man who you most admire ? O.K.
USA AND FREESPIRIT—I am sorry America system of election through popular vote and electorial college upsets you. Move to Russia, China, or Cuba. You might like it better there.
Bill Hedges,
How does the fact that he didn’t want to fight and possibly die in a pointless war that was unwinnable (like the current one), and that he lied about a sexual encounter that really wasn’t anyones business change the fact that he balanced our budget, had us in great standing with the rest of the world, and left this country better off than when he took office. He was an outstanding president and it is small minded thinking like that which put the current president in power and could put John Mccain in power as well. Let me guess, you think his time as a POW makes in qualified to be President right…John Mccain is DUMB on WAR! Being a “war hero” doesn’t make him a military genius.
DumbonWar
The reports of global warming are greatly exaggerated:
http://www.channel4.com/s.....index.html
I wrote a lengthy reply regarding homosexuality and abortion, but I have decided not to post it due to the intense emotions involved and the flame war it would likely cause.
Here is a bit of what I wrote, and if you want the rest give me a way to contact you.
Homosexuals have all the same rights as heterosexuals. What you most likely meant to ask was, ‘why shouldn’t homosexuals have a new method of acquiring the same benefits that heterosexuals often get’.
Dumbonwar–I don’t expect you to honor laws.
bdjnk,
you can email me at tommygibsonband@aol.com
Dumbon war—Who balanced budgets ???? Congress…President passes no bills. Check the 3 branches..Executive, legislative, and Judicial..Find out the job of each.. This points out who is small minded and dumb, huh
Hedges,
So you are saying that Bill Clinton had no impact on leaving the country with a balanced budget, no impact on the spending and saving of the country….why do Presidents talk about cutting taxes, raising taxes, total revenues…if they have no say in all these things. So the trillions of dollars that we owe the chinese isn’t George Bush’s fault after all…well I guess than it shouldn’t be a problem to put Bush 44 in power after all. It amazes me how people like you can find all sorts of ways to never give credit where credit is due.
Dumb and now even Dumber– read my previous comment. It’s a fact. Look it up..Clinton passed not one bill as PRESIDENT. NOT ONE…As President, he did sign bills into law. But pased no bills. TRUTH IN POLITICS…
Hedges,
Did Clinton have the authority to veto bills and sign bills, therefore choosing which bills pass and which don’t….deciding what is best for the country?
Getting really Dumb now— Congress does not send two simular bills and say Clinton, pick the one you want to sign. Not done that way… Clinton did not balance budget. Congress did. Clinton passed no bill… I must say, I learned this stuff in 6 th grade…He can also sit on the bill.
Dumb–Go to Debate Schedule thread… Read my somewhat long comment , my last one… Read it. With a open mind. See what you think. If you drop your label attitude and insult mammerism; you might find something valid from a different perspective.
Bill Hedges
Didn’t a Republican Congress control the house for the first 6 years of Bush’s Administration?
You listed some bad things about Bill Clinton but aren’t there some people in power right now who used their positions of power to also avoid the war? And wouldn’t you agree that there are some people in power now who are more guilty then Bill was of lying about a blow job?
Dreadsen—Dumbonwar was coming from a diffent view than you are. He stated his smartness, etc….He said Clinton balanced the budget, when Congress passes all bills. Yes Democrats only controled last two years. If you go to Candidate debate schedule tread, read my last comment. It talks about issues that lead to our horrible economic condition. Also spending by Congress has gotten worse thes past two years. Others in Congress may have been dodgers. I just know a convicted feloney can not be President. Unless pardoned as Clinton was. Clinton did not use his power to avoid war. He fled Country. He got pardon using Carter in power.. As far as lying to Supreme court, there is no justification in that. Reason he only lost his law degree instesad of being impeached, is because Constitution did not show that as a impeachable offense..
Geeze man this Pow card just comes up for everything. For his amount of houses and not having a kitchen when he was a pow.lol! This stuff is great!
http://www.disabilityworl.....ions.shtml
Excerpt from the Article
“Are you blind or partially sighted? Do you only have one arm or can’t you use both of them? Maybe you don’t even have your voice at your disposal, or are you - because of disabilities - tied up like a parcel on your bed? Whatever the problem may be, if you can’t use your brawn, use your brain. There are many dodges and tricks in the world of computers. People with severe disabilities also can communicate via computers. Having a look at the virtual world seems to be possible for everybody.”
You can have no arms at all and use the computer. This is another Pow card deflection.
The smartest perhaps sciencist in America found BLACK HOLES. He uses mouth to use his computer. McCain ’s wife, in there bed, helps him on the computer. I found that to be a warm martial bonding. what is wong in their way. I found nothing..
you know what?i’ll bet the farm that most of those first 6 comments aren’t even real people.probably right wing bloggers or worse.no matter.none of them discussed any issues regarding the future of the country in their”comments”.nothing. no issues,just more distractions.ok, so mccain can’t comb his own hair.well i’m happy that someone cares enough to comb it for him.doesn’t have much to do with the future of this country though hopefully…they can’t win with distractions.and they don’t feel that that they can win the other way i.e. on the issues that matter to the country.and let’s face it on some subjects both mccain and palin are sorely lacking.at least on the other side you have most of the bases covered.by the way i’m a registered independant and i’m real… so stay off my tip-peace
Hedges, So once again you are implying that Bill Clinton had absolutely no impact on the success of the country during his term in office. Also, Clinton was impeached, just not punished…being impeached means being brought up on charges nothing more….and I stand by my original point…social conservatism is an inherently stupid ideology….as is religion…
Bill Hedges
Didn’t Cheney dodge the war? I mean a dodger is a dodger isn’t it? Bill Clinton has actually done way worse things then these charges you bring up. But in comparison to what is going on now Bill Clinton is Abe Lincoln.
Another point. George Bush has never vetoed any pork spending bill. George Bush may be the most liberal president since Johnson.
Hedges, So once again you are implying that Bill Clinton had absolutely no impact on the success of the country during his term in office. Also, Clinton was impeached, just not punished…being impeached means being brought up on charges nothing more….and I stand by my original point…social conservatism is an inherently stupid ideology….as is religion… oh and Hedges…as to your other thread…
http://www.nytimes.com/20.....lberg.html
enjoy
This is ridiculous! The McCain supporters sit back and watch the Straight-Talk Express derail with each half-truth or full deception and continue blindly supporting McCain. A “Conservative” at whatever the cost, eh?
And yet, their biggest complaint about the Obama supporters is that they simply want a “Liberal” in the White House. Could it be that Obama’s supporters *like* his policy ideas? That we have a rational view of sound economic policy that includes oversight (as opposed to the Republican S&L crisis - and John McCain’s “Keating 5″).
Look at the plans laid forth. Will Obama raise taxes? Yes, on *some* people, but 95% of the country will get tax relief.
Look at Obama’s ideas about talking with Iran and withdrawing from Iraq. If they’re such awful ideas, why did the Bush administration (apparently your hero) begin talking with Iran and staging withdrawals from Iraq?
The trickle-down theory is a *failed* economic policy, unless of course you make millions each year, then it’s fantastic.
Study the economic ebbs and flows of this country as compared with who is in power. Democratic control - country does better. Republican control - country does worse. Are you cheering for the country or just the excessively wealthy?
All boats rise, or stay even, under the Democrats. The few luxury cruise liners destroy all of the the skiffs & little boats around them under the Republicans.
Republicans scream foul - “Government out of my life!” And yet, they so completely lack empathy for the less fortunate amongst us that they want to ruin welfare (a safety net for the down-and-out), destroy Social Security (a safety net for the elderly and infirm) and take away a woman’s right to control her own medical decisions. Oh, but wait, Corporate Welfare is completely okay…
McCain was an honorable man before 2006. He *was* a Maverick. He *was* a fighter against the horrid policies of the Bush administration.
Then, he decided he so badly wanted to be President, he chose to use vile tactics and pick a poor executive (look at Wasilla’s debt & the scandals that are becoming public) who’s big on social conservatism to attract the “base” that he had fought so hard to oppose.
If the John McCain running in 2008 were the same as the one who ran in 2000, I’d have a hard time not supporting him. Especially if he had chosen a less radical VP candidate. I’m quite certain that this was what was running through Joe Biden’s mind when he said he’d run with McCain. The full implosion of the Straight-Talk Express hadn’t happened yet and they *are* friends.
These are real and valid criticisms of his policies and his political smearing of Barack Obama.
I’m sure, deep down, he’s still got that Maverick in him. It’s just been snuffed out by his intense power-grab. And I have no doubt that he loves this country, but he has some very bad policy ideas and is mimicking Bush in very many ways.
And for those of you who get all pissed off and tell me to move to another country because I don’t agree with you, try this on for size - I am a bigger patriot than you are. I *love* my country *despite* it’s flaws. I can look her squarely in the face and say, “this is wrong” and *still* love her…try a more rational approach next time.
Oh - and apologies to you rational and reasonable Conservatives (and, oft-times, Republicans). You are not the target of my “vitriol”. You have some good ideas and are willing to *discuss* them rather than throw stones. I will *always* discuss things with you…even if we can’t always find a happy-median.
I think I finally figured out what amazes me about Republican supporters.
It seems they actually believe they are apart of the “elite”.
Who are these people? Have they not lost their job? Have they not come close to losing a home? Do they not have trouble paying bills? And if none of that applies, can they, at the very least, not see the fact (and it is a fact) that their dollar isn’t worth as much as it used to be. I’m not even talking about inflation, I’m talking about the $150 that doesn’t buy as much anywhere, anymore.
Even if I was comfortable (making $250K/year, which I’m not), I’m intelligent enough to see this trend right in front of my face.
Why are people protecting and supporting Republicans who couldn’t care less about them?
I just don’t get it.
McCain does not love this country when he talks of forming a league of democracies. That goes against everything the Founders stood for, which was INDEPENDENCE instead of alliances with other countries.
What do you all think about the rumors that Biden will be replaced by Hillary?
Dumbonwar, this Bill Clinton you’re touting as the greatest President ever… Would this be the same Bill Clinton that I made the mistake of voting for? Would that be the same Bill Clinton that ran rough shod over his marriage in the Oval Office? Would this be the same Bill Clinton that was impeached?
Dreadsen, I’m surprised at you - using your copy and paste keys to post the same message on two different posts. Are you using that old theory, too?
dUMB A–…i STAND CORRECTED ON MEANING OF IMPEACHED. I do not blame our education system for your flaws. I blame your lack of education on workings of government. You will protect your weakened polititical stance and firing back with obceneties…I am lowering my comentd to your level lower. I shall not do that. Woe to those who can not see.
DREADEN–You are ignorant…I said Bush VETOED a Iraq War budget..1/3 of which was pork. Congress re-did it and passed. It was done under Democrat control Congress.recently..YOU SAid THIS DID NOT HAPPEN—your wrong…Your brliefs are so strong you can not see truth. Ask Babs about this pork, if you dare. Look it up, if you can. Instead, you may laugh at my spelling or whatever. Anything, but your oum ignorant ideas. I respect the views of others. But not name calling., unless it is at a name-caller.
Obama is rated #1 most liberal in Congress.. Biden is rated # 3
FSB–The only true Americans are DEMOCRATS..
Dumb–When I looked IMPEACHED up, it stated it was two stage process. It also said it was common that people make mistake on the meaning ofimpeached. So I am a average guy.
Babs– what is the copy and paste key ? I have needed to use that, but don’t know how.. Not here of course..
Veto is used sometimes for a excellent BILL. As in contracts, the reason for a veto my bE found in the fine print. McCain said at Convention, he will VETO bills with PORK. When PORK is taken out, he will decide on the bill. He will inform the AMERICAN PUBLIC who added that PORK, no matter his party. When Bush vetoed Iraq war bill, 1/3 was PORK. PORK is a major waste of our money.
Dumb–I can understand you don’t want to respond to my commenT on thread, Candidat schedule ..It still at the bottom with no responsE from you.. Respond with no provanity, no labels, NO SUPERIORITY, and no insults. Use reason and facts. This is called RESPECTFUL debate or discussion. Debating in this matter can open line of communication among those that differ in belief. Discussion your way, closes..Most people don’t listen to points made in the gutter.
The real issue is the economy. And the with this crisis the economy and the american workers are in danger. I think Obama is qualify to face the situation and bring positive change. I’m very confident about that.
Democrat only bill for energy plan is working its way through the House now. The Republicans are trying to get $1.2 Billion pork issue for New York out. But lost..The $1.2 has nothing to do with energy….Committees have not seen this bill, or Republicans until today, when going to vote process..Is not normal proceedure. No nuclear, NOT SURE ABOUT COAL, drilling is still restricted as has always been. The vast amount of approved oil leases now, can not e drilled because of regulations and lawsuites. Not because oil company does do want to drill. Thank THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, DEMOCRAT..I am watching c-spam. LIVE NOW
It’s WAY off track, but since someone brought up his name.
http://www.whitehouse.gov...../bc42.html
During the administration of William Jefferson Clinton, the U.S. enjoyed more peace and economic well being than at any time in its history. He was the first Democratic president since Franklin D. Roosevelt to win a second term. He could point to the lowest unemployment rate in modern times, the lowest inflation in 30 years, the highest home ownership in the country’s history, dropping crime rates in many places, and reduced welfare rolls. He proposed the first balanced budget in decades and achieved a budget surplus. As part of a plan to celebrate the millennium in 2000, Clinton called for a great national initiative to end racial discrimination.
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Sounds very impressive to me.
To me as well, but consider the fact that we were enjoying peach and economic well being when he took office. He didn’t bring it about, he inherited it.
Bill Hedges - you talk of pork as if only Democrats add pork to bills.
The problem is *not* the Democrats OR the Republicans. They both blow money like it’s water. The difference is that the Democrats tend to pay for it by raising taxes and the Republicans tend to borrow it from future generations.
Defecit spending *can* be good. Debt *can* be good. But this is *only* true if the thing(s) paid for add value. Think of owning a house - if you take out a 2nd mortgage and have a wild week in Cancun or Tahiti or Vegas, you’ve added debt and no actual value. On the other hand, if you take out a 2nd mortgage and put an addition on your house, you’ve added debt *and* actual value. The latter is much, much more fiscally sound policy.
Spending our tax dollars on infrastructure and internal programs to strengthen our country as a whole adds a lot of value. Spending money on tax cuts for the wealthy, corporate welfare and weapons programs adds little, to no, actual value.
The Republican Congress under Clinton eliminated the Pay-Go rules. As such, we started hemorhaging (sp?) money and things began collapsing from there. Congress has been spending like drunken sailors since then and Bush only found his veto pen with the stem-cell bill and, more so, now that the Democrats have taken power. Where was he when the Republicans were blowing our money??
But the *real* problem is the *system*.
As much as we want to piss in the wind about who did or did not do this thing or that, it’s meaningless and it will get the country no where!! It will, in fact, generate even more partisan battle cries that further serve to ruin this country.
We *need* to come together as a country. The PEOPLE need to stop electing people who answer to special interests more than to them.
We need to reform election law to provide for specific times to air political conversations and issues-related discussions and *ban* political ads.
Political ads need to provide the most bang for the buck and so they tend to be polarizing and include partial truths that are hard to prove as being hyperbolic raging at the recklessness of the other candidate, let alone shown as false enough to be ignored.
Providing *free* air time to candidates should be a part of the FCC license every station must acquire to broadcast.
It will provide a platform where candidates can get their messages across and will allow a run for office to be done by average Americans and NOT require sucking up to industries or special interests to raise millions of dollars and thereby buying a seat at the table of power.
If I ran a billion-dollar corporation and gave significant money to support a candidate, I would *expect* better access to that candidate than average Joes. It’s a part of our capitalist system that equates money with power. I don’t blame the companies for *trying* to buy a seat at the table, I just think it should be illegal.
But more so than corporate donations, lobbying should be eliminated altogether. Or, at least, special access for lobbyists should be eliminated.
I don’t expect that I should have automatic and easy access to the President so he/she can hear my grievances. The President would never have time for anything but hearing from each of us. But I also don’t think Exxon or Microsoft or General Electric, etc., should have the President’s ear.
Democratic people are not your enemy. Republican people are not my enemy. It’s the Independents… LOL - just kidding.
We are all Americans. The way that Congress, and the Government in general, operates is our problem. There’s simply too much money changing hands in order to get something that they all become out of reach to regular people.
Bill Hedges - I’m tired of hearing from partisan right-wingers that I am not patriotic and should leave the country if I don’t agree with George Bush or John McCain or the Republicans.
I don’t remember ever seeing a “leftie” tell the “righties” to leave the country if they don’t like the Democrats or Obama. I guess that’s an option, but I’ve not seen it written.
So, your sarcastic “only Democrats are Americans” is ridiculous. It invalidates any salient points you may have made in any given thread.
If someone goes into the gutter in their arguments with you, try staying above the fray and win the argument by being civil and making good points rather than joining them in the gutter…
This really goes for everyone - the moment you say, “you’re stupid because…” your argument gets lost in foolishness.
Babs…that argument never ceases to amaze me.
It seems no President has ever done anything. It’s always the result of the prior President.
No Babs.
Clinton had 8 years. Bush had 8 years.
The difference is striking.
The opening paragraph for George H. W. Bush doesn’t even compare when listing accomplishments.
George Bush brought to the White House a dedication to traditional American values and a determination to direct them toward making the United States “a kinder and gentler nation.” In his Inaugural Address he pledged in “a moment rich with promise” to use American strength as “a force for good.”
In the end…when is credit given when credit si deserved. It should also be noted that these statements are not mine and not partisan. They come directly from http://www.whitehouse.gov
You may attribute the nations success under Clinton to someone else, but that doesn’t make it so. It’s just not logical.
If the Nations success under Clinton is not attributed to Clinton and you want to attribute it to G.H. Bush, are you then implying that the failings of G.W. Bush are because of Clinton? If so, I suggest you stop posting and go find a book titled “Against All Enemies: Inside America’s War on Terror” by Richard Clarke.
Everyone is too busy saying, “Hooray for our side” that no one in America wins.
A poor man does not open a business that provides jobs. Small business may be $ 1/2 million.You want to tax these folks more. I agree with PORK. It comes from both parties. Only McCain promises to veto all Pork. And tell the American people who added that PORK. Right now in the HOUSE, Republican tried to stop $1.2 billion PORK from energy bill. Republicans failed. This PORK has nothing to do with energy. Intrastructure needs rebuilt. But…America is broke> Let’s follow Democrat demands, pay as you go..Money from Social security and Transportation have been robbed or spent. They are broke
For the record, some things I heard from McCain during his acceptance speech are things that I *hope* get instituted no matter who wins:
Raise the red flag on pork spending *and* point out who is adding the pork, regardless of party.
Demand accountability and efficiency from the government agencies - publishing budgets, promoting sound use of money and penalizing waste.
I worry that neither of these will actually happen under McCain though. He’s taken an awful lot of money from big industries and big religions. It will be difficult for him to fairly axe pork spending for those he has obligated himself to.
I’m uncertain of the percentage of big industry dollars vs. small-donor dollars the two candidates have raised. Although, I’m fairly certain that Obama is much more tilted to the small-donor side. Then again, with the addition of Palin, McCain may be balancing the sources a little more, but I’m certain it’s still skewed towards industry over people.
The old saying, “Federal aid means Federal interference” cuts both ways, “Corporate donations means corporate interference”. I mentioned this in a prior post, but I don’t begrudge the companies their desire to have a seat at the table. We just need to make it a situation where the corporations can’t put in that kind of funding.
Peoplepower–Your labeling is stupid. I AM CONCERVATIVE if I must be labeled. Labels is excuss not to understand a person. To me, it is a form of racism….
Look John up on internet. He is well know fighter of PORK.
People–I NEVER SAID YOU SHOULD LEAVE THIS COUNTRY
People–Since you do not run a $ billion business, you do not know what John McCain would do if you gave a donation,if anything. Maybe a free coffee cup.
Bill - sorry to be unclear. I wasn’t saying *you* were a partisan right-winger, though your arguments have tended to be along those lines.
I also didn’t mean that *you* told me to leave the country.
I’m just tired of hearing that. And hearing from similar angry righties that I’m not patriotic. By saying all people of one group are something, and by me being in that group, means it’s being said about me, even if that wasn’t really the intent.
By you saying “only Democrats are Americans” you grossly generalize any Democrats’ arguments as being blindly one-sided. And you are saying that I only agree with Democratic ideas and ideals, another gross generalization.
I agree with you about labels. They do amount to bigotry. I describe myself as a left-leaning independent, but even that doesn’t fully capture all of me or my viewpoints. I tend to vote Democratic more than anything, mostly because I am strongly opposed to the social conservative agenda and they have their hooks too strongly in the Republican party.
John McCain *was* a fantastic Maverick in a lot of ways. The trouble is, he has changed his tune and has turned to the harsh partisanship of the Bush tactics. They were vile when Bush used them against McCain in 2000. They’re vile now.
As for poor people starting companies, I agree. Though, the SBA has money to lend to minorities and low income people (or did have, before the Bush partisan appointees used the SBA money for big companies). But the rich don’t automatically turn around and start a company with the money they get from trickle-down economics. The trickle never happens the way it is intended. It’s a failed policy that needs to be let go. Even if it kind of works, there are much better policies that more strongly support the general welfare of the nation, over the welfare of the few.
Obama is not going to tax small businesses! I’m not sure where that’s coming from, but it’s not true. But I’m sure he will tax businesses, and if a small business (people-wise) is making huge profits, they’ll be taxed, as they should.
Obama plans to close loopholes that reward companies for sending jobs overseas and who use offshore addresses as their headquarters in order to hide from taxes. It’s anti-American to hide from your responsibilities to this country and any company doing so should be steeply penalized.
Obama will do a great deal of good for the country - at home and abroad. At the very least, I trust him and his policies more than I trust McCain’s. And as I’ve said before, were McCain still the Maverick he was in 2000 *and* had he picked a more moderate VP, I would be very torn as to whom to vote for and would probably be completely fine with either one winning.
If McCain wins and returns to his Maverick ways, there’s a decent shot that he will make a great President. But I will be praying every single day for his health and well-being…
People–John wanted to take Government money for this race. …….Obama did not……… John dropped Government money in order to keep up with Obama hugh donations. Looks like Obama did not want limitations by accepting government presidental matching fund. John acceted it, but forced to drop. Tell me who is more controled by special interest ??
People.. I did not call you a democrat. I call Congressmen democrats..That is what it says under their name as I watch them on C-SPAN.. ……………………………………………..You missed the point wnen I said ONLY DEMOCRATS ARE AMERICANS.In my comment I pointed to a specific person..FSP…My comment was directed at him. His remarks were octragious above mine. ..As if RRepublicams were the slime of America. I was making fun of FSP…..We are all Americans
People ..you speak of harshness. Obama ad about computer is harsh and totally corrupt. Physcially , inclung pain, he is limited. He is not computer illeterate. He and his wife use computer together. I have not heard any truth being assigned to this ad by anyone. John has pushed for spreading tecnology.
People .. There are neutral places that will compare John and Obama Tax affects on business or whatever.. Look it up and make you personal, independet, judgement of their validity.
Bill - I’ll have to check the numbers, but I think it would be McCain still.
If I’m reading the numbers correctly on
http://www.campaignmoney.com/
Obama has received 0.01% of his money from PAC’s (counting corporations, etc.) and McCain has received around 0.8%. That’s 80 times more than Obama has received.
The funny thing here is that it also means both are receiving an insignificant amount from these groups. Whereas the rest of the money is roughly split between donors giving less than $200 and those giving more than $200.
Obama is at roughly 52% from the over-$200 crowd and the rest from less-than-$200 crowd (minus about 0.02% from PAC’s and Indian tribes).
Whereas McCain is at roughly 63% from the over-$200 crowd and the erst from less-than-$200 crowd (minus about 0.8% from PAC’s).
Looks to me like Obama is receiving more money from regular Joes than from well-off people.
Obama is also receiving almost 2.5 times the money McCain is receiving. So, not only are regular people contributing at a higher percentage to Obama’s campaign, they are contributing in very high numbers.
People The nature of this election would lead me to think Obama get more donations from Backs and college kids. I draw no conclusion from that. I am not a poll person, but understand McCain is leading in some. As a resonable attemping person, some of Obama’s ideas I agree with.. But I will give you my personal reason why I will not vote for him..Please excuss if my #’s are off. His wife worked for hospital making $125,000. Obama becomes Congressman. Obama adds pork to bill for that hospital,, around $ million. His wife becomes Vice President, making like $350,000.. Obama said in Paper $125,000 is not a living wage. Fortunetly, the bill containg this pork failed. You can find this on interent. Something like,,,Obama pork belly spending for wife hospital. Again, some of my # my be wrong…
People–Tax plan of the two candidates are looked at to see the effect it would have on tax payers in different tax brackets. Try looking that up. I have seen them. Gives a comparason.
Peoplepower maybe republicans always say that to you because Liberals always try to find bad things about our country and always talk about thebad things and how bad this is and that while Republicans tend to still have a good liking for our country and usually talk more on the positive side of things than liberals do.
Bill Hedges
Dude calm down man you seem like you have a lot of Rage. I came into here thinking a lot of people were posting only to see it is only you. I can just picture you turning from red to deep violet while shaking your fist at the computer. I hope you don’t flip a table and tear your shirt.
I did not call you any names. So why do you claim that I am a name caller?
I would like you to comment on the other things I outlined in the last post as well.
Of all the pork how much has George Bush vetoed? With out looking I will guess that this bill you are talking about with all the pork for Iraq still get passed just with less pork than it had before.
As far as taxes Obama’s covers 81% of the entire country. I know they keep on saying 95% but it is debatable. John McCain is also going to add a tax to payroll health care. A tax which did not exist before.
Babs
Your thread was more appropriate than this one. I didn’t see it at the time. I’ve done that before. I’ve seen Todd do it with 1000 word posts! lol.
O.S.
The difference is when Bill Clinton was in office the same things you claim the liberals say about the country are the same things Republicans said about Clinton. The difference is right now Republicans want to make things look like it’s peaches and cream because their guy is running the executive branch. And I didn’t see average Liberals saying that the reason why people questioned some of the horrors of Clinton was because they were unpatriotic and they should leave the country. NO only your type do that . Just look now. Bill Clinton’s legacy is being portrayed as bad. Why don’t you stick up for him and say that things were just beautiful?
Deadsen–Complain to NATE on me. Let him decide which one of us does the name calling, bad language usage, and insults
People–according to O’reilly. Fanny mae donated $85.000 to Obama campaign
Bill
“DREADEN–You are ignorant…I said Bush VETOED a Iraq War budget..1/3 of which was pork. Congress re-did it and passed. It was done under Democrat control Congress.recently..YOU SAid THIS DID NOT HAPPEN—your wrong…Your brliefs are so strong you can not see truth. Ask Babs about this pork, if you dare. Look it up, if you can. Instead, you may laugh at my spelling or whatever. Anything, but your oum ignorant ideas. I respect the views of others. But not name calling., unless it is at a name-caller. ”
Look at all your accusations man. You say you respect the view of others. Where do you get this I have beliefs so strong that I can not see the truth?( may be pot calling kettle here) Where do you get this from? Where have i showed an intolerance to the truth? You say you respect the views of others but you call my ideas ignorant? You bring up name calling when i have not called any names. Point out where I called you a name. I never said anything about your spelling where do you get the idea that I am laughing at it?
yOU SAID BUSH DID NOT VETO THAT BILL. YOU WERE WRONG, WRONG, WRONG
Where is Palins finacial information. The reason why they are more of the same is because they are more of the same . Personally I want a President that knows how to work a computer, tie his shoes and comb his hair. We already had one that never reads the paper or listens to the news and we all know how that turned out.
I am sick of Palin talking like she is a puppet, unable to say new words. Hillary didnt make 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling for this woman. Obama knows and teaches the Constitution… wouldnt it be nice to have a President that knows our laws instead of just making up at he goes along! YES!
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Note from Admin: Even when you censor yourself, such gratuitous language isn’t appreciated.
According to Hannity and Colmes. McCain in 2005 wanted to reform fanny and freddy. Said they were not finacially sound. They had article stating this. Was stopped by democrats
Bill Hedges
Okay fine if i’m wrong i’m wrong. But you ignored everything in my last two posts. So please address them.
O.S.
Then admit that Obama and Palin are both worthless puppets on a string so you will be excluded from the fan club of hypocrisy. Can’t say he is worthless for the same case which can be raised with Palin.
After all of the rallies Obama and Biden talk with reporters ONE ON ONE where ever they go. Palin will not. All the statements regarding Palin notice the campaign releases on her behalf. They are speaking for her. They won’t let her speak for herself.Of all the terrible things i have seen leveled her way i am surprised she won’t defuse them. I think it’s safe to say if we do a side by side comparison of who is the worse puppet Palin will win by a landslide.
And don’t forget Bush tried to appoint a pro choice judge once and it didn’t work. People als