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In another attempt to begin courting some evangelical voters, McCain met with the Graham’s earlier today at their home in North Carolina. McCain has been continually trying to court religious voters and assure them he’s their candidate. I’d say this would be a smarter road to go down than trying to court Hispanic voters.
Story from Yahoo News:
MONTREAT, N.C. - John McCain met Sunday with evangelist Billy Graham and his son, Franklin, at the family’s mountaintop retreat.
The Republican presidential candidate, who is actively courting religious voters and trying to reassure skeptical conservatives, visited privately with the Grahams on the grounds of Little Piney Cove in the Blue Ridge Mountains in western North Carolina.
“We had a very excellent conversation. I appreciated the opportunity to visit with them,” McCain said after the 45-minute meeting.
It was McCain’s first sit-down with Billy Graham, 89, and with Franklin Graham, although McCain and the elder Graham are acquainted. McCain’s father and Billy Graham also knew each other.
The world-renowned evangelist is in poor health but apparently felt well enough to visit with McCain, who flew to North Carolina with the expectation of meeting only with Franklin Graham, who is president and chief executive of the evangelistic association his father founded in 1950.
McCain said he did not know if the Grahams would vote for him. “I didn’t ask for their votes,” he said, calling them “great leaders.”
After the meeting, Franklin Graham issued a statement praising the Arizona senator’s “personal faith and his moral clarity.”
“The senator and I both have sons currently serving in the military, and also have a common interest in aviation,” Franklin Graham said. “I was impressed by his personal faith and his moral clarity on important social issues facing America today.”
Franklin Graham said his father told a story about meeting McCain’s father, a Navy admiral, on a trip to Vietnam during the war when John McCain was being held prisoner of war. The two prayed for John McCain during his captivity.
Franklin Graham said his father “expressed gratitude for the senator’s long and brave service” to the country.
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Of course, he didn’t mention to the Grahams that he has no respect for the law or American people; he tried to push McCain-Kennedy against the will of a vast majority of Americans. And added to that, he’s been an advocate of gun control, a double-talker, and a violator of McCain-Feingold. Why would I think he would not follow in Bush’s footsteps and meet secretly to finalize the rapidly progressing North American Union plans? If he does that, Congress will find out after he’s done it, and since we’ll have a “North American Constitution” and a North American legislative body, the United States Congress will be powerless to stop it afterward. After all, our Constitution will be impotent to stop such progressions if all of North America is under one government! :-O
Christopher, where do you get your opinion that McCain has no respect for the law or American people?? Isn’t that an awfully broad statement?? McCain takes heat for being an advocate of the 2nd amendment, not gun control. You’re confusing him with Obama there. *L*
I’m glad McCain got to meet with Billy Graham himself, and not just his son (no disrespect meant towards his son). There is a history between them, and Billy Graham is one Minister that no one calls a hater or quack. His integrity has always been of the highest caliber. The only hint of a scandal that has ever surfaced about Graham (if memory serves) was back in the 60’s when some newspaper took a picture of his wife wearing a pair of bermuda shorts, and attacked her for it. *LOL*
Babs, did you not fully read his comment? His opinion stems from the sentences following his remark of McCain. On another note, the statement is nowhere close to being “awfully broad” as your remark 2 weeks ago of Obama “being like a dictator”.
http://www.dailykos.com/s.....662/542418
http://www.usnews.com/blo.....phole.html
The first has links to the Senate’s site that show McCain has flipped from “gun control” to “gun rights”.
I mentioned some other things in the thread about Dobson and Obama.
Here is a Billy Graham Scandal
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/h.....850077.stm
Do a little Research and you will see that this has caused some anger among the Jewish Community.
Dreadsen, don’t you think this is such a sign of the times? Here Billy Graham is 89 years old, and a UK media hound has nothing better to do than try to smear someone in our country for something that was apparently said 30 years ago after what, over 50 years of unblemished service to the faith? So sad. This just makes me angry. He handled it well, but should not have had to handle it at all.
“Although I have no memory of the occasion, I deeply regret comments I apparently made in an Oval Office conversation with President Nixon some 30 years ago,” Mr Graham said in a statement released by his Texas public relations firm.”
Well it was not just the U.K. media
http://www.slate.com/id/2063030/
But i was just showing that there was another problem.
Are you suggesting that public figures shouldn’t have to explain things which may have occurred 30 or more years ago?
Obama has to explain things he has written in KINDERGARTEN and what school he was in at the age of 6! This is an attempt to suggest that he is suppressing some sinister plot
from 40 or more years ago regardless of his many years which don’t reflect anything of the sort. (just like Graham)
William Ayers look at his long years of service to the community and as a professor at a University. All of those LONG years does not reflect what he did some 40 years ago. So should he have not been questioned about at all?
If Billy Graham was good Friends with Nixon who obviously had a Jewish problem and he is not objecting to Nixon’s words and is even making some damaging comments himself. Then I don’t see why you don’t think he should be asked about this. I mean if we are going to apply one tactic( a bullcrap one) to one candidate. Hell apply it to all of them.
We need to look past the “lesser of two evils”, “he’s not ideal, but . . . ” and study candidates’ consistancy, honesty, and understanding of the Constitution. Those are the things that matter most. I dislike the petty bickering between conservatives and liberals and think we have lost touch with our Constitution too much. All the centralization of power that’s taken place, particularly since Woodrow Wilson, has got to go. The federal government’s mandates are covered in the Constitution, and if it needs to do more, then there needs to be an amendment. Washington needs to be accountable to us!
Dreadsen, Billy Graham is not running for President, and he’s not advising any of the candidates, he’s nowhere in the polical game with either candidate, and whatever he may have said in a taped phone conversation with a dead man 30 years ago, what’s the point?? He’s an 89 year old man who’s retired and trying to live out his golden years in peace - who should be left alone. There is no comparison to this slam and the vetting of a political candidate. This is just a cheap shot like the one Wesley Clarke took at McCain, that’s a much better comparison.
Babs
They have started this Guilt by association or guilt by who you CHOOSE to associate yourself with.
I only posted my first post in response to this quote from you
“There is a history between them, and Billy Graham is one Minister that no one calls a hater or quack. His integrity has always been of the highest caliber. The only hint of a scandal that has ever surfaced about Graham (if memory serves) was back in the 60’s when some newspaper took a picture of his wife wearing a pair of bermuda shorts, and attacked her for it”
You brought up bermuda short scandal of 40 years ago and i brought up the statements he made 30 years ago. I was only pointing out that there was more to him then the bermuda short scandal you brought up.
He made those statements and there is nothing wrong with someone asking him for some clarification. Does he dislike Jews. With out clarification it is possible that he does not like Jews or has some type of problem with them. All because it was 30 years ago doesn’t mean that he may not hold the same feelings now. ( he apologized and clarified things though)
Wesley Clark is one of Obama’s Advisers. This isn’t in the same category. A better comparison of that would be Geraldine
from Hilary’s camp.
C.S.
You are right.
I believe the problem is people letting their Political Party do their thinking for them.
If their party decides do defend other members of their party who violate the Constitution then it is okay.
Now everything is being blamed on terror.
You can not do anything to stop terror unless you get rid of certain elements of the Constitution. And people are buying this.
Obama has said that the war on terror can be fought with in the bounds of the Constitution.
But then what are the details of this wire tapping immunity bill he voted for?
The little info i have gotten from it is the bill gives them immunity from Civil suits only.
Which would mean that they are left open for other legal action.
We’re “on the same page” there, Dreadsen. I’ve gathered that Obama has always been opposed to the war on terror. The problem I see regarding his foreign policy ideas is not so much that Hamas and Bill Ayers like him, because “guilt by association” can be taken too far; it’s that I get the impression he would cave into radical Islamic demands instead of looking at what the American people want. However, I qualify that by saying I have not paid attention so much to Obama’s actual statements as the conservative media’s perspective on them. So you can correct me on that if need be. I did not know that Barack Obama even mentioned fighting a war on terror constitutionally, or that he even talks about the Constitution. He’s rather keen on some things, but mostly I think he’s just trying to get elected by saying what the majority of Americans want to hear. Regardless of what other conservatives think, I think he’s no worse than McCain, and in fact probably better, simply because he’s not blindly trusting our foreign policy. It is Americans’ duty to keenly observe our foreign policy and hold the government accountable for it! The war on terror’s ends of “protecting the homeland” do the opposite by expanding the government, which makes a dictatorship much easier.
Dreadsen,
‘Obama has to explain things he has written in KINDERGARTEN and what school he was in at the age of 6! This is an attempt to suggest that he is suppressing some sinister plot
from 40 or more years ago regardless of his many years which don’t reflect anything of the sort. (just like Graham)’
Obama is not being asked to explain what he did in kindergarten. He is being asked to explain why he covered it up/lied about it just a few months ago by saying he has had no affiliation with the Muslim religion, EVER, when it is apparent that he did.
Jeremy
In Kindergarten I was talking about when he was asked what he wanted to be when he grew up and he wrote President. So this means that there was a legacy from way back then to groom him into being a president.
This affiliation with the Muslim religion thing is in the “Eyes of the Beholder”. Have you seen some of the arguments? They are silly. “According to muslim law if your father is a muslim then you are a muslim and therefore he is lying” Then someone else shows that according to that law it depends on what soil you are born on then next someone says his birth certificate is scam because he was actually born in Kenya therefore the law applies. I don’t consider those tiny technicalities as a contradiction. And the majority of reasonable people do not either. This is why Israeli post had to manufacture proof from the Brothers story. What ever possible traces there are isn’t enough to deter people.
Dreadsen, I understand the why, I am just so disillusioned with all of this. Once Hillary was out and Obama was the presumptive nominee I stupidly thought this election cycle would become about issues between the two candidates. But it still seems to be about sound bites, surrogates, NON surrogates, he said she said crap, and one upping. I’m looking forward to a time when its about the issues of each candidate, the way it was promised to be - with a “new” kind of campaign. Where did that promise from Obama go? The “I’ll meet John McCain anytime anywhere” Obama, where is he?
Dreadsen,
Doesn’t every kid say they want to be president in kindergarten? I haven’t heard anything about this type of stuff, and if it is true, think it is silly. Do you perhaps have a link to these stories?
I am not talking about him being ‘born into being a Muslim’ or his brother, I am talking about him going to a muslim school, mosque while in that school, and studying the Koran. He said, he had no affiliation whatsoever, but he indeed has. Is it a problem that he went to the school? No, I don’t see any problem, but why would he try to hide it?
Babs,
What issues don’t you know about already? Don’t we all know where Obama stands, and where McCain stands. Do we have to go through it all again? I am more interested in the integrity, personality, and ability to lead of the two candidates since I already know where the two of them stand on each issue.
For what it’s worth, I think (for me at least) it is more important to focus on who is the right person that represents my views, and vote for them. This is my exercise of principle-based decision making.
I get amused hearing all the talking heads and sheep (people without the energy to drag themselves from the TV) talking about choosing between the two major candidates. It is as if their own pride is so full of themselves, that they want to vote for who they think will win (like a horse race), just so they can say “I voted for the winner”…and not have any clue or understanding of the consequences of what they are doing to the country (in mass). It is the shear mass of people like that who keep voting in the same old representatives and then complain about the government, without knowing the candidates voting record because that would take some effort to click a few keys on the keyboard and look it up themselves.
Voting records don’t lie…the media is great at spin. Principled decision makers are rare these days…and I’m not saying that to pump me or any of you up…just that people like many of us who really care, are few.
In the end, I will not be voting for either of the major party candidates. It will be one of the minor party candidates (not Libertarian or Green party either).
As I engage my daughters in watching the political events, spin and deception, I have to spend a focused effort to continually point them to what I believe is the truth, and keep them focused on that. In the end, they will know the truth so well, that they can see and smell the lies coming a mile away and not be deceived. They know what questions to ask, and they know the records of the candidates to back them up.
For instance, the other day, one of them asked a major candidate supporter the following: “if Mr. Obama did so much work and positive things in the south part of Chicago, then why is the south part of Chicago still the same as it was before Mr. Obama went to work there for the people?”.
That was a question that got me excited simply because she asked for the results of his presence and work, and ignored the rhetoric and exaggerations being said (and omissions). They now are beginning to understand credibility versus talk.
Sorry for the rant…I get passionate sometimes. LOL
Thank you all for your contributions…I learn more everyday.
There may have been a lot of muslims going to school with him, Jeremy, but he didn’t attend a muslim school. AP has pretty much debunked that myth - you can read a little about that here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16813267/
Could I ask where you found your information? I’m not one to be dismissive, but from what I’ve read it’s outright false.
Words of wisdom again, David. You are as good as Chuck Baldwin at expressing the truth clearly!
Chris, you ask don’t I already know how the candidates stand on the issues. Well, no, with Obama changing his “policies” everyday, how could I. I’m referring to the fact that after 22 debates between Obama and Hillary, we knew exactly where they stood on each issue point by point (subtract the mudslinging) and where they agreed/disagreed on each issue. We have seen none of that with Obama/McCain. Except for messages sent back and forth through the media, we have seen no head to head discussions between them on the issues. They may as well be running their campaigns on the internet from separate countries. For example, Obama is running an ad on our local TV stations here that contains a blatant lie, why is he getting a pass on that? He’s taking credit for passing a welfare reform bill that he voted AGAINST - yet there is no rebuttal from anywhere. But look at the outcry over Clarke’s big mouth. It’s just frustrating.
I think you’re referring to Jeremy here, Babs . . .
I am, Chris, I’m sorry. Crazy day in the office trying to get out of here for the 4th, I didn’t read well, did I?
All of ya’ll have a great 4th of July, BTW!
http://www.youtube.com/wa.....SWuA-RttGU
O_S, get back to safety from liberals soon!!
You have a good one, too, Babs
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Babs there is an outcry over Clark because if anyone dares say ANYTHING about his war record it is considered non patriotic or non supportive of Soldiers. Remember when i brought up a slur on here that McCain used and the comment was brought up “that is why people think Liberals are not supportive of our troops”
I remember when similar tactics were used on John Kerry. Well actually even WORSE because they were trying to make his military record out to be fake. There wasn’t an uproar like in this case. i don’t remember anyone saying that this was unpatriotic or non supportive of soldiers back then. And Clark wasn’t saying that McCain’s record was a farce like they did with Kerry. He was just talking about how it would apply.
And for the commercial. Well it won’t be the first time Obama
or any of them have done this. Obama did it to Hilary on the health care issue and I think a few other things. Hilary did it back with some misrepresentations as well. The media didn’t jump all over these commercials.
Look John McCain has one where they are lying as well.
http://www.factcheck.org/.....obama.html
The media isn’t jumping all over this either.
I think Clark made a fair comment about McCain and Vietnam although he might not have said it in the best way.
From what I can gather McCain knows how to get caught in war and not to win a war.