Subscribe by RSSWright to Obama: “Coming after you”
I’m guessing those are the last words Obama would like to hear. The fact that his former pastor, Jeremiah Wright, is saying he would “come after him” if elected President because Obama would then be presiding over the “oppressive” United States.
This is getting to be a soap opera, and quite a funny one at that. Story from The Politico:
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The Rev. Jeremiah Wright said Monday that he will try to change national policy by “coming after” Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) if he is elected president.
The pastor also insisted Obama “didn’t denounce” him and “didn’t distance himself” from Wright’s controversial remarks, but “did what politicians do.”
Wright implied Obama still agrees with him by saying: “He had to distance himself, because he’s a politician, from what the media was saying I had said, which was [portrayed as] anti-American.”
Wright, who was Obama’s pastor for 20 years and performed his wedding, made the explosive comment during a chaotic question-and-answer session at the National Press Club in Washington, following the pastor’s remarks about the black church in America.
“I said to Barack Obama last year, ‘If you get elected, November the 5th I’m coming after you, because you’ll be representing a government whose policies grind under people,’ Wright said.
Here’s some video of the remarks:
At some point, you have to wonder if this is a joke or, perhaps, Wright is rooting for Obama to lose so he can continue claiming that America is run by “rich white people.”
Plus, what does it say when Wright is saying that Obama is just doing what “politicians” do? He seems to be implying that Obama is just being a typical politician, saying what he needs to say to get elected.
Seriously though, wouldn’t the Obama camp be asking Wright to disappear until after the election? Whether you think his words or being taken out of context or not, they aren’t being received well by the average voter.
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Isn’t it strange he makes the statements about coming after Obama if he wins the presidency, but then says this (and its the second reference I found in the transcript):
“MODERATOR: Do you think it is God’s will that Senator Obama be president?
WRIGHT: I said I would offer myself for candidacy for vice president. I have not offered myself for candidacy of God. I can’t presume to know what God would want.
In my tradition, however, what everybody has been saying to me as it pertains to the candidacy is what God has for you is for you. If God intends for Mr. Obama to the president, then no white racists, no political pundit, no speech, nothing can get in the way, because God will do what God wants to do.”
Is this man honestly thinking he can be Obama’s Vice President?!?!
Does Wright honestly believe that Americans would tolerate having him as Obama’s running mate, or that Obama would even choose him after such controversy?
Quick answer: No, he is not. Read again.
Maybe, in some wacko and very very strange way, Wright saying this is helpful for Obama. For too long a lot of people have seen them as close friends. If Wright takes an antagonistic position towards Obama, while stating that Obama could be in the other end of his radical sermons, that may do some good to Obama’s image. It can make him look good in comparison (by remaining calmed in direct contrast to Wright), and it will help him distance even more from his ex-pastor.
What do you think? Too out there? Maybe.
I don’t know Christopher, and he said it twice. It’s just crazy.
Ill tell you why this man still continues to be in the news and preach. HE MAKES MONEY AND GETS ATTENTION! Hello people what did Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton do. They always try to get as much attention as they can so that the black community and forgiveful whites give them tons of money. This man has gained so much attention that now everyone knows who he is and guess what he loves it. The funnyiest thing is how much a person can change from being a racist bigot behind closed doors to a great preacher when there are whites and dignified members there. This man disgusts me and if i ever see him or anyone that associates with him or his community i will spit in there face.
I saw the YouTube a while ago of Wright on Hannity & Colmes. Hannity was trying to ask Wright whether it’d be perceived as racist to say the blacks were oppressing America. Wright dodged the issue and aggressively was telling Hannity to not talk about that without studying black liberation theology. Then Colmes came on board and made Wright look like a victim, a liberation theologist who is singled out just because of Obama. Good grief!! Of course, Wright softened up and starting chattering. >:(
Initially Obama refused to distance himself from Wright, but since his race speech he’s certainly sent a few mixed messages about Wright. I guess that may have left the man with an overall lukewarm feel toward their relationship.
It’s understandable, if not desirable, politics, but also brings Rev 3:16 to mind:
“So because thou art lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spew thee out of my mouth.”
Obama really wanted to reach a “hate the sin, love the sinner” compromise, but in the end Wright may just resent him for not coming more strongly to his defense, just as the media keeps jabbing at him for not condemning Wright strongly enough. Ya just can’t please everyone, and this may be where the Reverend really begins to hurt Obama.
The funnyiest thing is how much a person can change from being a racist bigot behind closed doors to a great preacher when there are whites and dignified members there. I mean yes he quotes the bible but now all of a sudden when hes on national TV the guy tries to look like a saint. All you hear is just these blacks clapping and yelling in the background. ITs people like him that have corrupted the black community not whites! its the jesse jacksons al sharpton and JEREMIAH WRIGHTS who have ruined the black community!
Well, I think this is Obama’s dilemma here. If he denounces Wright - which Wright claims Obama has never done - he opens himself up to lose what could be a large portion of his black supporters. But if he doesn’t denounce Wright finally and completely, he may lose an even larger portion of the rest of his supporters. What to do, what to do.
http://blog.beliefnet.com.....toric.html
Just watch 5 min. 40 seconds through 6 min. 40 seconds.
Isn’t it disgusting? In essence, he said (more elegantly than this paraphrase): “I’m a pastor who is accountable to God, and Obama is accountable to Americans, so it’s okay that Obama deceived the populace by pretending to distance himself from me.”
What I really wanted to show you from that minute of footage was that Wright halted after saying he was aiming to be Vice–then added “President”. He probably wanted to say “oops” for saying that. People laughed instead of being outraged!
He doesn’t have to denounce Wright. He just has to “correct” him. This is Obama’s opportunity to speak out once again why and how his government would be different from previous administrations, and why Wright’s concern is legitimate, but he doesn’t have to worry about it if Obama gets elected.
And that’s only the alternative that I came up with. Think about what Obama and his campaign staff could think of.
There is no dilemma. And this is just another evidence of the shift the media have been experiencing from Obama to Clinton.
If Obama gets that phone call at 3am, will Rev. Wright answer?
Or are we to believe that if Obama gets a call at 3am, he will then give Wright a call at 3:05am?
I think not.
I apologize in advance, I’m just really tired of this.
Me, too, Whobody. I can’t even fathom why Wright is stepping out in public with these kinds of statements again, and I really can’t believe the “vice president” thing is even in his brain. Why would he even want to be the vice president of a country he despises? Uh, that was rhetorical. =)
Oh and Christoper, I see what you mean. I thought it was just a gaffe then, too, but then he made the second statement I quoted. Unbelievable. But maybe we all have it wrong - maybe he wants to be Hillary’s vice president! *LOL*
Wright for third party candidate! Then we’ll really see where America stands!
(I hope to God you know I’m joking.)
Babs when you asked you dont understand why he comes out in the public just think about this and ill tell you why this man still continues to be in the news and preach. HE MAKES MONEY AND GETS ATTENTION! Hes doing exactly what Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton do!
Obama_sucks
LOL……That is good stuff…LOL
You are funny man….LOL Maybe a little biased must maybe a little right as well. LOL…..
Dreadsen and Josh
Where are you two?
These people are talking about your guy here. Wright is you man so defend him like you do……LOL
Wright is a radical racist like I said….I love it!
O.S.
“Ill tell you why this man still continues to be in the news and preach. HE MAKES MONEY AND GETS ATTENTION! ”
False. He’s a preacher anyway and retires in June. This was before the Media fiasco has happened. He wasn’t in the main stream media until Obama got good momentum in his presidential candidacy. His radical speeches got looped in sound bites over and over again BY THE MEDIA this was not by Reverend Wrights Choice. His link to Obama is the reason why it was played.
Can’t totally disagree with you with the Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson assessment.
“This man has gained so much attention that now everyone knows who he is and guess what he loves it.”
I disagree. He was sought for an interview for a very long time when this who thing blew up. He ignored the press and at his last sermon at Trinity he walked right past the media ignoring them and they advised their members to do the same.
If he really loved this attention he would have capitalized on every single attempt to get an interview from him possible. Even when people didn’t know where he was at there was like a man hunt to find this guy. Unlike your claim about sharpton if this was true about this guy he wouldn’t have stayed out of the spot light. Unlikely characteristics for someone who seeks attention isnt’ it?
I believe they were all waiting for this to blow over and the press will not let it go. So with the UNFAIR sound bites which lead people to believe a false impression of what each sermon was based on going on for so long he had no choice but the speak out himself. ( he may have stayed quiet more damaging stuff in this video that can be used against Obama)
But Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have different Careers then
Wright. two different animals.
“The funnyiest thing is how much a person can change from being a racist bigot behind closed doors to a great preacher when there are whites and dignified members there.”
it is true that there are white and other dignified members there this i do agree.
But I was unaware that he was a bigot and racist behind closed doors. Could you point out where i can learn about how he has displayed being a racist and bigot behind closed doors. thank you
*LOL* Just as a side funny here. One of my favorite clients just left my shop, and when she saw I was reading a Wright thread here she said, “He needs to just sit down”. My client is black, and she’s so right. He needs to just sit down.
I think Indiminded is right. When it comes to making money, the media is making more money from Wright that the other way around.
And can someone explain to me why the words of this fellow are im any way relevant to the 2008 election?
Oh, yes, I remember: the media makes it relevant.
Makes me remember about that movie with Travolta and Dustin Hoffman… “The Fourth Power”, I think.
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Babs
Being black doesn’t make her right.
But she’s right!
He should have kept doing what he had been doing and that is refusing interviews. The one he did on PBS was good, this one was doing good at first. Especially showing all the good things he and his church had done. Some questions he answered were okay too. But overall he did more damage then good. Especially the way he described Obama’s statements as being disingenuous (eventhough they might be but it’s not his job to point that out) and only political talk. That was his second time making that point and this time i think he may really cause Obama some damage.
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Watch you’re language…
I am caucasian (too white to be a latin, actually) and actually think of myself as a liberal, and I’m really proud of that, although I don’t like to think in matters of left, right, etc. I dislike over-generalizations. Keep that in mind and you might understand me.
The man says this is the United States of the kkk because he is furious with past governments. Yes, I think he is racist (I don’t contradict you on that point) but I also believe in the things said by Barack Obama in his speech about racism. You need to put yourself for a moment in that racist man’s shoes. He had to suffer segregation. He had to suffer extreme racism. And yes, maybe racism in America is part of the past, but maybe not.
By the way, the kkk are only from America. No other place, as far as I know. So, if some country would be the country of the KKK, it would be the United States. There’s no point in pretending to hide that fact.
I also think that the United States, in some way, had part of the responsability for 9/11. What happened that way can’t be justified in any thinkable way, but it can be explained. And the US foreign policy in the Middle East played a BIG PART there. Osama Bin Laden being trained by the CIA? That’s nothing compared to the bombs dropped weekly in Middle East during the late 80’s and the 90’s. And 9/11 can’t be fully explained with that imbecile statement that Bush likes so much: “They hate us because they envy our way of life and our freedom”. And many americans I know are stupid enough as to believe it. It’s really sad.
And, by the way, I’m one of those few who think that the investigation of 911 should have been reopened because of many inconsistencies. MANY INCONSISTENCIES. It’s not just another conspiracy theory… if you have time and interest, you can start by looking at this:
http://www.loosechange911.com/
http://www.reopen911.org/
http://911scholars.org/
With an open mind, please. If you see a fact, and if you see evidence, then regard it like that: facts.
You think that Wright’s a good way to measure to judge Obama? And Ayers, the neighbor who was at ONE party and placed bombs when Obama was what… 7 years old? AND REZKO? He didn’t even defend the guy when he was on trial, and just received support from him. Do you really want to talk about the people that are linked to McCain? Or do you believe that just because they are not everyday on tv they don’t exist?
If you do, think again.
This society has become more corrupt than what itself can handle. And the media can get everything out of control. Fox News, 2000, anyone?
By the way, your nick, OBAMA_SUCKS, since when do you have it that way? Before or AFTER the Wright problem arised?
Because, if it’s before, then your concern over Wright (at least in the big ways you want to put it) it’s not SO legitimate. And THEN we would have to talk about bias.
So don’t come to me with anti-liberal speeches. Get your act together and then come up with some real arguments about real issues, not this enraged old man and Obama’s loose associates.
and other lies like hillary over nafta, bosnia, peter paul and god knows what else. Should the press blow that over? Well I sure don’t hear much about that nowadays. Ofcourse these issues are legitimate, but will only devide the democrats.
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One more thing, Obama_Sucks:
I am caucasian (too white to be a latin, actually) and actually think of myself as a liberal, and I’m really proud of that, although I don’t like to think in matters of left, right, etc. I dislike over-generalizations. Keep that in mind and you might understand me.
The man says this is the United States of the kkk because he is furious with past governments. Yes, I think he is racist (I don’t contradict you on that point) but I also believe in the things said by Barack Obama in his speech about racism. You need to put yourself for a moment in that racist man’s shoes. He had to suffer segregation. He had to suffer extreme racism. And yes, maybe racism in America is part of the past, but maybe not.
And yes, I can link McCain to a terrorist… more than one, actually. Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rice… want more? They all support state terrorism. And, don’t you know about McCain’s own clerical friends?
McCain friend and spiritual advisor, Rev. John Hagee says: “The United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God ’s plan for both Israel and the West… a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation, and Second Coming of Christ.”
http://thinkprogress.org/.....dorsement/
http://blog.faithinpublic.....orses.html
And you know why I don’t make comments about this?
Because McCain’s associates are not real issues.
And even if they were, they pale in comparison to his statements about his plans for this country.
Now, please, Get Real. Get to real arguments, and not to distractions. I’m trying to be polite here, really. But, for now, you are behaving just plain biased. So, if you think I’m a leftist who will stand by Obama whatever he does or says, think again.
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IMHO, we have very low standards if we can tolerate numerous suspicious things about McCain, Obama, and Hillary. First, the Constitution mandates capital punishment to those who attempt to sacrifice our national sovereignty. If we were following the Constitution, McCain would have been executed for high treason because of McCain-Kennedy. Ask me about this if you don’t see the connection.
Jeremiah Wright did not suffer in Jim Crow South. He was from the North. That doesn’t mean he never was taunted or harassed for his color, but he does seem more unjustifiably extreme when you realize that he came from a racially mixed area of Philadelphia, able to go to normal schools as a black person. Don’t get me wrong; I don’t believe he is justified at all. The generalizations of identity politics–that you are what your race, gender, and/or sexual orientation make you (rather than what your choices make you)–is what Wright focuses on. Rich whites persecuted blacks in America, so because he is a black Christian, Jesus must have also been black, since He was a victim. Wright would say it more elegantly, but it should make you wonder whether Obama has personally moved beyond the victim mentality. That’s all I’ll say for now.
Now back to you DREADSEN. You make many good points and i commend you on that. The hwole John McCain seeking the Hagee endorsement was so that he could get the evangelical vote. He does not associate with Hagee and unlike Obama has renounced all that Hagee has said. I dont like that McCain went after Hagee for the endorsement at all, but it is in a different way that Wright and Obama because Obama and Wright are so close to eachother. Obama has said to seen wright as an Uncle and even a father type figure. Wright performed the marriage ceremony at Obama’s wedding and even worked on Obama campaign as a spiritual advisor for a good amount of time, and Obama has gone to his church (IDK BOUT THAT PLACE BEING A CHURCH OF GOD!!) for 20 years. So basically Hagee and McCain have a much different and less of a relationship than Obama and Wright, and that is why the Hagee conversation is nearly ever brought up.
Why are you asking about my race? focus on my argument. What does my race have to do with anything? You are
spreading false information. If you don’t like someone is it okay to spread lies on them? So therefore I am sticking up for him because i won’t allow you to spread lies?
I am not spreading lies the man has said it and i know other on this site will say they have heard it as well. But i asked about your race because it is a key component in what i want to talk to you about. It will help me to see into who you really are so just say it. I’ll tell you right now Im a white man living in New York and in one of the most liberal places out there. If for some reason your scared to tell me, then just dont but i think i know why you dont want to tell me because you know the conversation I would have with you.
BUT ANYWAYS! back to the me spreading false lies.
I am in no way spreading false lies and I never will spread false lies either. For someone who talks about listening to the mans whole sermons, you dont seem to have a good understanding of what actually he says than do you. I mean you tell me to listen to it all not just the soundbites but the funny thing is If you were to actually listen to the sermons you would have heard what i said about the KKK and about whites giving aids to the black community. The man is a hater. PLAIN AND SIMPLE A HATER!!! most of his sermons youll find are on white people this and whites that. He is a HATER!
Basically if you look at everything, the average person a.k.a. the independants and the moderates will look at the videos of Wright, then they will see Wright and Obama have a strong connection. They will see Obama connected with William Ayers, a terrorist and then will look back and see his remarks on bitter people(WHO ARE THE AVERAGE PEOPLE!!!!!) and well buddy the choice for them will be is so incredibly simple even if they cling to their guns and religion because friend they are going to have 3 words for your and those 3 words are:
JOHN SIDNEY MCCAIN!
Michel
I watched Loose change myself and even showed it to a couple of people. It was convincing but a lot of the evidence in there he provides is taken out of context. You have to study the debunking websites as well as loose change to form a good opinion.
http://screwloosechange.b.....nking.html
Download the loose change viewer. It is a word doc. Read this as you watch the video and you’ll see that there isn’t a whole lot of room left.
here’s another one to look at.
http://www.loosechangegui.....Guide.html
Here is a 911 conspirator who points out loosechange as being garbage. That’s bad when a conspirator debunks you.
http://911research.wtc7.n.....hange.html
Now we have gotten way off of topic but I will say that i’m not saying that some type of government involvement is possible. I just haven’t seen one that hasn’t been thoroughly
and precisely debunked.
Where did it get us? Middle East, for example. What did it gets for us? Oil. Oil for Halliburton, Dick Cheney’s company, for the royal Saudi Arabian family, who are friends of the Bush famaily… and, well, oil for america. Maybe it’s too out there, but the government had a motive.
I don’t support the views of those who say that the government did it. But I DO support he views of those who say that the governement have made everything possible to avoid a reopening of the investigations. Was Osama in Afghanistan? Were WMDs in Iraq? NO. Then, why it’s so hard for you to believe?
I’m just trying to understand comments like the ones from Wright. One of the things where I support Barack Obama in in his views about listening to all parts and trying to get a more global view. To just label the guy “anti-american”, without trying to reason why he said the things he said… that’s a stretch.
The guys in those websites I showed you… many of them can be wackos… but I bet all of them are really patriotic. A LOT more patriotic than George W. Bush.
The people that died helping victims in 911… those were REAL PATRIOTS. When I say this I just want to make sure that the WHOLE TRUTH is for them to know. THE WHOLE TRUTH. To deny them that one thing would be an act of treason. So don’t come speaking like if you are really defending them.
The cousin of wife was one in the medical staff who took are of the 911 american volunteers who were denied of the health care they deserved in America. Cuban doctors! And they are OUR heroes! So why so many of hem couldn’t be taken care of here in AMERICA? Why they had to leave to Cuba the get medical attention? WHY?
Honor the heroes with medical attention… and with the truth. And both things have been really hindered in America. I would be really pissed off too, and I’m risking myself to be called unpatriotic by people like you, like Wright does. I don’t believe Wright’s sermons are importante for this country. The only thing that’s imporant for this country, RIGHT NOW, is change. Change. CHANGE FOR GOOD.
The only candidate I believe have the intention to make that Change is Barack Obama. And, as long as I believe that, I will defend him against all things that I think are distractions to avoid that change.
So don’t you lecture me about 911. All your comments here have been pointless and void. Do all of us a favor and change your nick so we can read your comments once again without rebembering that almost all you have said here have no point at all.
Because that way, if you have one day some REAL reasons to attack Barack Obama, then I’ll be able to believe in it… and not just dismiss it because of your stupid bias and stubbornness.
“In the beginning of change, the patriot is a scarce man… brave, hated, and despised. However, when his cause prospers, the fearful join him, for then there is no cost in being a patriot.” - Mark Twain.
Christopher, I completely agree with you there. Wright’s comments are, IMHO, charged with much racism. And yes, is up to everyone to think if Obama has moved personally beyond the stances of his former pastor. I, speaking for myself, believe in Obama’s word and I give him the benefit of the doubt. If you think differently, all the better. What I don’t think is that we should think that it’s a CLEAR subject. We have no evidence that Obama is a racist, that’s all. He speaks very eloquently against racism, in all its forms, so that makes him considerably different from Wright. That’s all.
Dreadsen,
I have also visited “screwloosechange” and even took a look at the Popular Mechanics article about 911. yes, there are many theories that are debatable, but some are not. And LooseChange is not the only documentary out there. If you can see the documentary by the guy behind “reopen911″ it would be good. It’s much more informed and organized, and harder to debunk. But, as always, I’m open to hearing arguments and logical reasons, and not being willing to let the case reopen it’s unfair to everybody. Specially the victims.
It’s been a long while since I have visited those subjects, and I don’t intend to stray away from the subject of the post. All I want to say is that I’m not for pointing out one guilty… but for finding out who the real guilty is. And this administrations have already told us too many lies. So why would we believe that?
It’s sad that people like OBAMA_SUCKS seems to believe in them.
I dont need to change my name. I can lecture whoever i want about 911 especially if you bring it up to me. My comments are not pointless and void they just come from a different type of party, one that is not accepted by basically all people on this website. you i can tell are a democrat so of course your not going to read all of what I say because you are mostly intollerant. I have said many good reasons about obama maybe look past the name you see.
Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.-1 Corinthians xv. 33.
Barack Obama may very well be a good man. But be cautious of the people he associates with for they might lead him down a bad path even if his own intentions are of well being and good.
You know this only hurts Obama. Think about it here for a moment, why would Wright want Obama to win? He would have nothing to rail against, a black man would be president and Wright’s crass mouth would be silenced. So there you have it, Wright will do everything in his power, in an obnoxious “here I am look at me” way, to avoid Obama from being elected. If Obama is elected Wright’s career of blasting whites will be over! These people don’t want justice for the black community, their goal is to continue to cause racial tensions, and without Obama winning the election, their platform will continue.
O.S.
Don’t understimate me, and don’t play the harassed victim role here. Lots of people here (some of the most active, I may say) support other candidates: Babs, Dem’08, Conservative Gal, yourself. But, still, voices like Dreadsen’s or Indiminded are more heard because they have more arguments, are more articulate, and have better reasons to believe what they believe. I consider myself a lot lesser articulate and informed than Dreadsen or Indiminded, but still try to find good arguments to debate, and many times posters like Babs just don’t answer to that (maybe she know what to say, but she’s ignoring me). So not everybody here is a Democrat, or even an Obama supporter. Don’t play the victim here. It’s not true.
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Thanks!
Listen Michel im not playing that role hear at all i was saying that because of my views many people dont like to think about them and dont like to answer to the arguments or beliefs that i bring up. I just am upset with you that you first stood up for this racist and then you had to bring up things like 911 which were completely out of context.
Everyone, quit using profanity about it and I’ll quit deleting! It’s not tolerated on this site and I ask for your cooperation.
Regardless of where you stand and what your opinion is, swearing about it makes you look foolish and childish, so knock it off!
Thanks!
O.S.
Thanks for being a little more civilized.
I’m challenging you to provide proof that Wright said “WHITE PEOPLE CREATED AIDS TO GIVE TO BLACK PEOPLE”.
I will not go any further on that
“He does not associate with Hagee and unlike Obama has renounced all that Hagee has said. ”
False. Obama has renounced the negative statements that Wright has made. McCain’s explanation for Hagee is almost identical to Obama’s. You did see this when he was on Stephenopolous a week ago didn’t you?
“s If you were to actually listen to the sermons you would have heard what i said about the KKK and about whites giving aids to the black community. The man is a hater. PLAIN AND SIMPLE A HATER!!! most of his sermons youll find are on white people this and whites that.”
Like Michel said. saying the KKK is in the United States is a fact. This has nothing to do with hating whites.
You next LIE or misinformation is that most of his sermons are on whites. 3 sermons a week for 30 years and and all have been video taped. have you even seen more of the sermons from the sound bites? did you see the sermon where he talked about God Damn america? He defended and talked about the rights of WHITE WOMEN. I can provide you links so you can watch it if you want. But then again you have seen this already right?
And you didn’t address my McCain package from my last post.
It’s Hagee and all those other things I laid out for you which makes it easier for some people to come to the conclusion that McCain himself and not someone he is associated with is a racist.
Well i gave you links to 4 videos that showed the KKK remark which was differant that just saying the KKK are int he U.S. I also had a video showing what he said about whites giving aids and other diseases to blacks. A video about how blacks are treated and how whites are and it is said in one of the most racist ways and tones ever. But the admin nate decided to delete them prob because hes an intollerant Liberal!! IM JUST KIDDING LOVE YOU NATE!!!!
that was a joke but serioulsy later tonight or tomorrow i will post 4 videos showing Wright and showing racist remarks. sorry bout before but ive just been aggravated.
Obama_Sucks
Take it from me, you can’t reason with Dreadsen here. Obama is the only thing that gets him up in the morning so you are fighting a losing battle.
Dreadsen, Josh, and Michel really like this racist Wright guy and they always defend him and Obama no matter what. It’s obvious that morals don’t matter too them so don’t let this get you upset. Their are plenty of loopy people out there and you just found some.
As long as you know right from wrong then you know what kind of guy Wright is and when Obama defends him it tells us something about him as well. Some of us hear you!
I apologize for the G****n word. I was only referencing Wright which has the word separated which usually means not a bad word.
Or I apologize for copying O.S. post to reply to. Maybe those got mine deleted.
I think those are the two things i did which may have got my posts deleted.
http://video.google.com/v.....;plindex=0
Dreadsen, See if this works!
Obama_Sucks
The video of Wright and his comments is posted now if it don’t get deleted. If it gets to stay the Dreadsen will have to say “I’m Sorry” to you….LOL
Oh yea, I posted it under the Clinton name. Just thought that would go well together….
NATE, what’s up! Some problem with the video? Dreadsen ask for proof because he is too loopy to find it. Anyway, It all over the internet so Dreadsen is just showing us yet again how biased he is….LOL
Dem 08
You make those wild and false accusations based on you losing a
debate on the challenges you brought up?
You challenged people to provide facts with out biased opinion so i asked you to provide facts and you provided bias opinion and no facts! LOL!
You just want to give an opinion based on no proof or research then expect people to just agree with you and join your side based on that. In some cases that can be acceptable if there is enough substance to draw a conclusion to.
But YOU were the one that kept forcing the issue of coming up with facts.
Listen I have no problem with negative FACTS on a person but not misinformation, lies, unsubstantiated claims or suppressed evidence.
Suppressed evidence as in providing all negative or out of context negative facts but doing away or ignoring other facts with don’t support the agenda you want to persuade others to believe.
For example with Wright there are some rough things out there but there are a lot of facts on him and his congregation which if provided with the negative it gives an unbiased person enough to make up their OWN OPINON.
But if someone is only providing out of context negative facts, misinformation or lies then I will address it. Doing this does not make me unreasonable. But the person pushing the one sided evidence may be.
Dreadsen
Defending Wright makes you a loser. You can not find where I said one thing about Wright that is not true or Obama for that matter. Show me something that I said about them that is not true…..
You don’t like anything that makes Obama or Wright look just as they are. You defend a radical racist and his buddy who wants to be president. For refusing to stand for the American people and defend your nation against radicals who attack us you are a loser and until you wise up you always will be. You are no better than the losers who attacked the U.S. in 2001.
Oh, that was an attack…..LOL
It is nice to have civil discussion with you, Michel!
ahh thankyou Dem ‘08 feels good for someone to speak some sense besides the others out there that have no sense of right and wrong, no sense of what is good and wrong and dont use their own judgement. You make very good points and i realized after a while these people or so biased in what they believe that they will never ever change and there was nothing i could debate with them becuase even when im asked questions and i give a good proven answer with evidence. Somehow i am still said to be wrong, the worst part for me is that they just had to bring up 911. That always gets me so angry. I just cant stand the conspiracy theorists out there and the worst part is that they are all so intollerant of others views,, which shows in my debate with Dreadsen and Michel. Who never once said that I was right even after i gave them video evidence. SO WHATEVER LOL!
Not trying to get too deep into this (and from the previous posts I can tell it is pretty deep), but I don’t really care about what Rev. Wright has said or continues to say. Did you see his speech at the NAACP fundraiser? It was great! He reminds me of a lot of people I associate with (but am not necesserily close to): outspoken about their views in a very animated way. Do I always agree with what is said? No, but I can see where the views come from.
Did anyone else see the speech? How did it affect your opinion of Wright?
Obama_Sucks
They know the truth. They pretend its not real because they support Obama and Wright over everything. Their moral values keep them from defending our people and our nation when we get attacked by radical people like Wright. Even now with Wright attacking Obama and throwing him under the bus they still defend him. You watch though, in a couple of weeks when Obama really starts losing because of Wright they will speak out against him. Losers! Like I said they are no better than the losers who caused 911. That may seem harsh but I feel strongly about radical racist people and for anyone in the U.S. to defend them is amazing to me. They don’t deserve to enjoy the freedom and benefit this nation gives them because they spit in the face of America.
That is some FACT for all of them!
I agree complelty with you and to further that i spit in the face of all those who dont enjoy the freedom of the U.S.A.
MICHELLE my view after that is still the same. the guys is a dispacable human being and does not deserve anything. He is not a man of God or a preacher of Jesus Christ he preeches heresies and deserves justice. He is a hater of whites, hater of U.S. and overall he is a hater of anyone who is not black
Just when I thought I had exposed them all. Now Michelle is reminded of the people that she associates with when Wright speaks……Amazing!
Why don’t people defend this nation? Why would anyone defend Wright? I would not have thought there would be any proud American people who could defend such a person. Now some of you support him. There have been a lot of radical losers who said something good in their life but that don’t mean we should pay no mind to this type of thing. Where do you people come from? I am glad its not around me.
Has anyone actually seen the whole sermon? I haven’t and I have been wondering about it because I have seen some stories on cnn that indicate there is more to it than meets the eye. If you have it please link it, I would like to check it out myself. I also heard on cnn that he has two master’s degrees and a PhD. Anyone know what schools he attended?
But he won’t say “I hate whites”! He’ll just rail against whites! And the vast majority of Americans are not keen enough to see that a promise like “change” or “secure the border” is not sufficient in itself. The candidates must have integrity, and that is sorely lacking. I’d say Alan Keyes, Fred Thompson, Duncan Hunter, Ron Paul, and probably Tancredo (I know little about him) were the most honest. Have you also noticed that the media spurned all of them?
I just want to say another thing: why would anyone trust McCain to support the US military when he said nothing about the Berkeley riots, and when he steadfastly opposes the new GI Bill, which adjusts the veterans’ benefits to fit the current economy? When saying we mistreat terrorists, he seems to be sympathizing with them. Will he sympathize with radical Islam? I daresay he probably will. And we will fall as a nation when sharia law becomes prevalent here.
O.S.
I didn’t see the video evidence so I can’t see what you say. But it’s not even my discussion, because I have said that probably Wright have delivered racist speeches. I don’t contradict that, but that was Dreadsen’s discussion, not mine. If you feel cornered in this subject don’t think of other people like if they were intollerant of other people’s views. I could think the very same thing of you. I’m very tolerant of everybody’s views, as long as they are well-fundamented.
By the way, I think one of my posts was deleted. If I wrote something offensive I apologize.
Michelle,
Your opinion is very sincere and open, and that’s not something abundant here, at least not in this threat. Great comment.
Christoper,
Of course, that should be constant around here. Good polite discussion is always very very good. And just because we think differently on some subjects does not mean we have to disagree on everything.
Dem 08
Equating the conversation you’ve had here with politically /religiously motivated mass murder of our fellow brothers does seem a tad harsh. O_S may have lost some friends in 9/11 but it would be hard for me to believe you did. You certainly don’t seem to remember the event with much gravity.
The ironic thing is, if you’re looking for an extremist, there’s gotta be a mirror somewhere in the room. Freedom of expression is part of the package deal that is America, and comparing your fellows to mass murdering jyhadists because you strongly disagree with them is a rejection of that same Freedom that you claim to cherish.
O_S if you really lost anyone you loved in that attack, I can’t believe you’re so happy to let him compare that attack to a few words flung about on a web page. But that’s up to you.
I didn’t lose anyone, I just think it’s incredibly degrading to the memory of everyone involved. I can only hope that this sort of petty infighting can be excused as a part of our country’s ongoing coping process. No one in here is seeking to destroy their country or slaughter their neighbor.
And THEY call Wright radical.
Great post Indiminded.
indiminded
If you support an attack on America then You are no better than the attacker. If you back Wright then you back an attacker. In my book if you attack the U.S. you are the enemy.
Wright may not have killed anybody but he has attacked America and I see it. You are the loser who calls me out for standing up for the U.S.
Shut your mouth to me if you want to support the attackers!
Dem’08
Let’s say for a moment that I’m supporting Wright. Aren’t you a Hillary Clinton supporter? And and informed supporter, as you seem to be. That makes you a bigger attacker of America than me, or Indiminded. Did you stop to think about that?
And don’t even try to ask why I say that. If you are informed it’s pretty obvious.
Indiminded… do we just ignore Dem and let her be? I think she can find her own peace of mind on her own.
Big talk from a punk who hides behing the keyboard don’t you think…
Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. You have a big talk. Didn’t you criticize Obama for that?
TThanks for your support on my comment Michel!
Firstly, I do not think it’s cool for someone to attack me over a three to four sentence post, calling me a loser and whatnot. I merely stated my opinion; I did not say anything racist towards whites or anti-Ameircan, I simply said I know people who are like Wright and (God Forbid) I still treat them like human beings.
I will stand by my views to the end: I treat others how I like to be treated, and I love others as I love myself. I have flaws, but I wouldn’t want others to label me by my flaws, but rather for the good I have done. So I do the same; I have known a lot of black people, some who have expressed views I didn’t agree with when it comes to whites. I have also known whites who catagorize blacks in a way I don’t agree with. I am still civil to both of these types of people becuase I am not God and I have no right to judge anyone.
I don’t feel it’s right, especially for people who do not know me, to say I’m a loser based on the aforementioned points.
That is the REAL hate speech, and you are only condemning yourself when you conduct in such ways.
Dem 08
“Defending Wright makes you a loser. You can not find where I said one thing about Wright that is not true or Obama for that matter. Show me something that I said about them that is not true…..”
I’ve been pointing out things you say which are not true for a while.
Reverend Wright did not say “WHITES created Aids to give to black America”
Where did you provide the video proof of this. See i Know exactly what he said. This is why i keep pointing this out.
Indiminded, Michelle and Michel
Do you see how RADICAL these two people are?
Their Illogical Logic(well Dem 08) but O.S. supports this) connects the dots to me being a terrorist during 911. This logic is the same logic which Wright uses to make the Aids claim(which I disagree with).
Let me show you how their logic works.
O.S. supports McCain, McCain voted against the G.I. Bill, therefore McCain is against Veterans, if McCain is against veterans then he is no better then the terrorists in Iraq who attack our soldiers, if he is like the soldiers who attack the soldiers who are in Iraq then he is like Al Qeada in Iraq. If he is like and supports Al Qeada in Iraq then he supports the terrorists who attacked us during 911.
Therfore O.S. is a supporter of Terrorism, extreme Islam and is anti american
Using their Logic you can make anyone out to be anything.
Dem 08 supports Hilary
http://www.dickmorris.com...../#more-323
In the above post someone has linked Hilary to terrorist.
Therefore Dem 08 supports terrorist and supports the people who attacked us during 911.
So the only conclusion is Dem 08 is anti american and a suppoter of Islamfascism.
My son has only seen my cat and the neighbors cat. Both cats are black cats. There are the only cats he has seen so he may think that all cats are black. But this is not true because he hasn’t seen any other ones. But then again my neighbor is on their 3rd black cat. Since they have not gotten any other color of cats this means they are against all cats besides black ones. If they are against cats then they are against animals and since they are against animals then they are just like Michael Vick who has had many dogs killed.
O.S.
“You make very good points and i realized after a while these people or so biased in what they believe that they will never ever change and there was nothing i could debate with them becuase even when im asked questions and i give a good proven answer with evidence.”
You have NOT given good proven answers with evidence. You have picked through and chosen what you wanted to reply to and avoided the more difficult ones. You explained Hagee But did not go into detail with the other points i brought up on McCain. That was fine with me. Until you make the claim that you address everything.
“He is a hater of whites, hater of U.S. and overall he is a hater of anyone who is not black”
Biased Opinion based on the logic you and dem 08 use i see how you can come to that conclusion. But using that same logic with the package i’ve given you on McCain then McCain is also a racist.
That statement of yours I disagree with and challenged you to provide info. You provided two things. One was misinformation and one was a snipit. I showed you how snipit like McCain’s 100 year snipit was used to distort is actually meaning. Therefore a snipit is not sufficient enough evidence. We need to see the whole sermon to draw the proper conclusion.
So don’t pat yourself on the back for something which you have not done.
I’m still waiting on the video of him saying that “WHITES CREATED AIDS TO GIVE TO BLACK PEOPLE”. Dem 08 says she provided this video but i have not seen it. I know what he actually said this is why I keep challenging this. But you two defend the right to lie on someone who you don’t like. And if someone points out that it is not fact then they instantly become evil. I guess the person should just believe anything you say against the guy.
I’ll say it. I’m not a fan of Wright. I don’t like him. But for different reasons then the ones you portray. Wright is not as much of the point here but you USE wright just like the media does in an attempt to attach all of this to OBAMA this is why i challenge you for FACTS. If you are going to use him in an attempt to sway people you need to back it up with facts not bias opinion based off of your own personal hatred.
back to this statement
“He is a hater of whites, hater of U.S. and overall he is a hater of anyone who is not black”
here are some facts. This does not prove or disprove your claim but it is something i would like for you to explain away.
1.)99% of the United Church of Christ congregation is White.
2.)Members of the church are white.
3.)this series of videos of the White LEADERS of the United Church of Christ defending the Church AND defending Rev Wright
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6arZBvlpvSE
4.)John McCain has said that HE BELIEVES that the words of Rev Wright do not reflect the views of Senator Obama. You support McCain and using your logic therefore you must support this view as well? McCain is defending Obama and is therefore Unamerican.
5.)in the g.d. america snipit. When watching the sermon he defends the rights and reflects the history of the discrimination of WHITE WOMEN. Why would he do this to white women which he hates so much?
I put this info here for other people to make a fair opinion.
If someone comes to the same conclusion at least they had the opportunity to see contrary FACTS.
Wright is also an Ex Marine. Therefore your attack on him makes you unamerican using your logic right?
Wright was also invited to the White House as a spiritual counsel to the Clintons during the Lewinski scandal. Why would he go there to be spiritual counsel to people who he hates so much? Why did these white people who invited him to the white house reach out to a man who you claim hates them?
Now these things should be taken into context with the soundbites and the other things O.S. and Dem 08 are spreading. Anyone else reading this make your own decision and not one based off of suppressed evidence and bias confirmation based off of opinion not related to facts.
How is it that I’m supporting Wright? I never said I supported him, and I never said that he isn’t a racist, of course he is, as much as Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton is, but that doesn’t make Obama a racist. You have some clear issues with reading comprehension, but it’s not because you’re stupid, it’s because you’re reading with a slant. Your assumption is that any Black man must, by design, be a radical racist, and your assumption is wrong. It’s O.K., that’s probably just the redneck crapkicker in you (no swears, lol). Older Black leaders like Sharpton and Wright are racist, in a way, because they were around during a time when they were themselves the victim of some of the HARSHEST racism at the hands of Whites, do you really blame them? Obama, for the most part, never had those experiences, and is himself half-white. This should obviate to you a clear difference between Obama’s beliefs and the beliefs of, yes, racists like Wright and Sharpton. The biggest difference, however, lies in power. Sharton, Wright, and Jackson need racism, not only on their part but toward it, to remain in power. They often play the race card to gain the support of younger Blacks, and it works to a point. It is no different than the way in which young Southern Conservatives are duped into hating Mexicans by their political leaders of choice, on the basis of illegal immigration. Obama doesn’t need these kinds of tactics to stay in power, and there is no evidence that he has even TRIED to use them.
BTW, the only one here who is a “tough guy hiding behind a keyboard” is the one who is spouting off about someone meeting her face-to-face, even when she knows that it will never happen (we all have jobs, sweetie, sorry)! That’s always the modus operanda of the “internet tough guy”, better known as a “troll”.
Josh get your facts straight before you speak buddy. Sharpton came from a Rich upperclass family in the north. And Wright also came from a family in the north and never dealt with racism first hand. Both may come out and be there for the black community when racism is a key, when really all they are doing is trying to make some money, especially al sharpton. So basically quoting you
“Sharpton and Wright are racist, in a way, because they were around during a time when they were themselves the victim of some of the HARSHEST racism at the hands of Whites, do you really blame them?
They came from the north they barely ever experienced racism and when they did it was not the harshest of racism at the hand of white. So yes I can blame them for being racist. They are detraments to the black community especially sharpton. Preaches on being there for the black community when really he is only out there for the money.
Get your facts straight before you speak about why people can be racist, especially if they are from the north so there was no way the experienced the harshest racism. lol